Hi guys, I did some testing on the installer as well before I was going to vote, and after following Christophe Herreman's opinion, I decided to +1 on this as well, although I think there are a few important (but non-blocking) issues (if this previous one in this topic isn't blocking of course).
Consistency is pretty important to look professional I think, and I can't say this is the case everywhere. On the language, I tried to add my five cents to this Jira ticket: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224 Here is what I found for the functionality: - The name of the application looks kinda weird: "InstallApacheFlex". Can't we just change this to "Apache Flex Installer", and maybe even put it default in a "Apache Flex" folder (since I think this is only a until, and not really a very important standalone application). - The disclaimer button does not perform any action, it is just a link to the disclaimer. So I believe from a usability viewing point, this should be a LinkButton instead of a Button, right? - I think the "SHOW LOG" button should not be inside the application, but rather be a NativeMenuItem. - For the licenses, is it really necessary to agree on all of them separately? (I think this has been discussed before, but I thought I'd just mention it in case it wasn't). Also, the design does indeed need to be cleaned up a little bit (the buttons don't always rescale -- for instance when you switch to Dutch, the "Install" button says "Install…" because the button's label isn't rescaling). If I find the time I will try to have a look at it more and discuss it. I hope I didn't repeat anything that what was said before too much. H. Hans Van den Keybus | dotdotcommadot.com Mail: h...@dotdotcommadot.com Phone: 0032 (0) 486 16 30 69 On 20-okt.-2012, at 02:37, Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well > > You can see this video, I'm recording to show how the bug happen > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlmwX75RqM > > > Stefan Horochovec > > > > 2012/10/19 Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> > >> Alex >> >> What AIR version you are running? >> >> >> Stefan Horochovec >> >> >> >> >> 2012/10/19 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> >> >>> Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue. >>> >>> >>> On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these >>> points: >>>> >>>> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more >>>> involvement? >>>> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they >>> review >>>> the dev-list and see this issue? >>>> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away >>> with a >>>> follow-up point release >>>> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to >>> reproduce it. >>>> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache >>> Flex >>>> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now. >>>> >>>> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot. Sometimes, important bugs get found late >>> in the >>>> game. Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC >>> votes >>>> on an RC8. However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and >>> I >>>> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if it >>>> isn't handling strings properly. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello everybody, >>>>> >>>>> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my last >>>>> email, that information may be contained on the page to access the >>>>> Installer. >>>>> >>>>> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the same >>>>> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he said: >>>>> >>>>> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead to >>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to the >>>>> users." >>>>> >>>>> But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being >>> awaited >>>>> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apache >>> Flex >>>>> SDK. >>>>> >>>>> Erik and Om >>>>> >>>>> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations >>> of >>>>> languages available today, and put them separate group with all the >>>>> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to >>> make it >>>>> easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you >>> add a >>>>> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each >>>>> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time. >>>>> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224 >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herre...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release >>> often and >>>>>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess. >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 (binding) >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> Christophe >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a >>> release >>>>>>> till we get everything perfect. We will never release anything if we >>>>>> wait >>>>>>> to fix every issue that we discover. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security >>>>>>> implications. We cannot delay the release any longer especially >>> after so >>>>>>> many people have voted for the release. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap. We >>> will be >>>>>>> making a follow up release soon. Also, we are shipping with an auto >>>>>> update >>>>>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases for >>>>>> sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Om >>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" < >>>>>>> christophe.herre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's >>>>>> current >>>>>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get >>> this >>>>>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with >>> the >>>>>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious issues >>> are >>>>>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems for >>>>>>> (perhaps >>>>>>>> a minor part of ) the users. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead >>> to >>>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to >>> the >>>>>>>> users. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> kind regards, >>>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes...please, release.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.develo...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>> Release, release, release!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -omar >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stefan, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That's why >>> I >>>>>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adress >>> this >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into the source >>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates, a kind of >>>>>>> 'vote >>>>>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do another RC, >>> I >>>>>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people will not >>>>>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have to do a >>>>>>>> release. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> EdB >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Erik >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating systems that >>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from en_US, >>>>>> however, >>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of the installer >>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> en_US. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language to en_US, >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> installation dont work. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese): >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir do CGI. >>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex >>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário >>>>>>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório temporário >>>>>>>>>>>> Instalação abortada >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1 - >>>>>>>>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 - >>>>>>>>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png >>>>>>>>>>>> 3 - >>>>>>>>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png >>>>>>>>>>>> 4 - >>>>>>>>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem, a time may come >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> affect >>>>>>>>>>>> a large number of people. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed, I'll look >>>>>> into >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they will prove valid >>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> useful. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon, lack of true >>>>>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker for this first >>>>>>>>>>>>> release? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment in English, but >>>>>> when I >>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to test the >>>>>> translations, >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> result >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not good. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license will be accepted, >>>>>> just >>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>> option >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is made the selected >>>>>>>>> language. >>>>>>>>>>> Ex: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my default language. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted a patch >>>>>> (which >>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation of default >>>>>>> language >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation user's language, so >>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all texts, some not >>>>>>>>> translated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when the Installer is >>>>>>>> launched >>>>>>>>>>> on an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation and the same is >>>>>>>>> detected >>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for translation into >>>>>>>> English. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher to vote here. >>>>>> After >>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton < >>>>>>>>> cfram...@adobe.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira >>>>>>>>> Director de Tecnología >>>>>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 >>>>>>>>> F: +34 912 35 57 77 >>>>>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com >>>>>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es >>>>>>>>> http://www.avant2.es >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman >>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com >>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Christophe Herreman >>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com >>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org >>>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alex Harui >>> Flex SDK Team >>> Adobe Systems, Inc. >>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui >>> >>> >>
