Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue.
On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: > I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these points: > > 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more > involvement? > 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they review > the dev-list and see this issue? > 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away with a > follow-up point release > 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to reproduce it. > 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache Flex > SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now. > > To me, 7 RC's is not a lot. Sometimes, important bugs get found late in the > game. Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC votes > on an RC8. However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and I > don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if it > isn't handling strings properly. > > > On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hello everybody, >> >> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my last >> email, that information may be contained on the page to access the >> Installer. >> >> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the same >> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he said: >> >> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead to >> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to the >> users." >> >> But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being awaited >> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apache Flex >> SDK. >> >> Erik and Om >> >> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations of >> languages available today, and put them separate group with all the >> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to make it >> easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you add a >> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each >> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time. >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224 >> >> Regards >> >> Stefan Horochovec >> >> >> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herre...@gmail.com> >> >>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release often and >>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right. >>> >>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess. >>> >>> +1 (binding) >>> >>> regards, >>> Christophe >>> >>> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release. >>>> >>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a release >>>> till we get everything perfect. We will never release anything if we >>> wait >>>> to fix every issue that we discover. >>>> >>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security >>>> implications. We cannot delay the release any longer especially after so >>>> many people have voted for the release. >>>> >>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap. We will be >>>> making a follow up release soon. Also, we are shipping with an auto >>> update >>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases for >>> sure. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Om >>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" < >>>> christophe.herre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's >>> current >>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get this >>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with the >>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations. >>>>> >>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious issues are >>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems for >>>> (perhaps >>>>> a minor part of ) the users. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead to >>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to the >>>>> users. >>>>> >>>>> kind regards, >>>>> Christophe >>>>> >>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> >>>>> >>>>>> Yes...please, release.... >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.develo...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> Release, release, release!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -omar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stefan, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That's why I >>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adress this >>>> and >>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into the source >>>> this >>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates, a kind of >>>> 'vote >>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do another RC, I >>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people will not >>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have to do a >>>>> release. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> EdB >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>> <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Erik >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating systems that >>> have >>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from en_US, >>> however, >>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of the installer >>> for >>>>>> en_US. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language to en_US, >>> the >>>>>>>>> installation dont work. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese): >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir do CGI. >>>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex >>>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário >>>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório temporário >>>>>>>>> Instalação abortada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1 - >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png >>>>>>>>> 2 - >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png >>>>>>>>> 3 - >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png >>>>>>>>> 4 - >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem, a time may come >>>> that >>>>>>>> affect >>>>>>>>> a large number of people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stefan, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed, I'll look >>> into >>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they will prove valid >>> and >>>>>>>>>> useful. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon, lack of true >>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker for this first >>>>>>>>>> release? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> EdB >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> -1 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment in English, but >>> when I >>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to test the >>> translations, >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> result >>>>>>>>>>> was not good. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license will be accepted, >>> just >>>> no >>>>>>>> option >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is made the selected >>>>>> language. >>>>>>>> Ex: >>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my default language. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted a patch >>> (which >>>> if >>>>>>>>>> accepted) >>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation of default >>>> language >>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation user's language, so >>>> when >>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all texts, some not >>>>>> translated. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when the Installer is >>>>> launched >>>>>>>> on an >>>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation and the same is >>>>>> detected >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for translation into >>>>> English. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher to vote here. >>> After >>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> Om >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton < >>>>>> cfram...@adobe.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Carlos Rovira >>>>>> Director de Tecnología >>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 >>>>>> F: +34 912 35 57 77 >>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com >>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es >>>>>> http://www.avant2.es >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Christophe Herreman >>>>> http://www.herrodius.com >>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >>>>> http://www.as3commons.org >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Christophe Herreman >>> http://www.herrodius.com >>> http://www.springactionscript.org >>> http://www.as3commons.org >>> -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
