I'm confused. Are you saying I'm a Bad Guy? All I did was point out that I think everything you need to program the Flash Player from either a Flex app or a Laszlo app is documented. This might make my manager mad, but I don't understand why it would make you mad.
- Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Merryfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:35 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price Here come the Black Helicopters. :) -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March 2005 19:31 To: 'flexcoders@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price > I have never seen an API to the Flash player made readily available to the public. I'm on the Flex team, not the Flash team, but I think all the Flash ActionScript APIs are documented. In addition to Macromedia documentation, aren't there plenty of Flash books, ActionScript dictionaries, etc.? For example, "ActionScript, The Definitive Guide" by Colin Moock seems comprehensive. If there are missing Player APIs in that book, I think they're an oversight, not an intentional secret. - Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Steiner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:26 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price My guess is that you will be back. Lazslo, while the samples look great, is still based upon Flash player 5 (Beta 3 of Lazslo is player 6). It is one of those things where you have to wonder - how does Lazslo know what to extend of the Flash Player. The people that are contributing to it make guesses and try to extend the capabilities as far as they can, but they are still limited in their knowledge. I have never seen an API to the Flash player made readily available to the public. Also - as the Flash Player gets more complicated it will become more difficult to code hooks into the player to give developers the same functionality that is provided by Flex, and Breeze, and Flash, ........ This really goes for all the competing technologies out there that are doing their best to output as a swf. MM is doing something right - they hold all the cards to the most widely accepted piece of downloaded content on the web. My guess is that they still have a few aces up their sleeves and that they will always be the power to beat (as long as the continue to devote their company's future to flash). I am also guessing that MM was prepared for this backlash - but as future iterations come out, and they show more and more of the fun stuff that they want to give us non-flash developers the ability to extend, Everyone that decided ~now to give Laszlo, et. al., a look will come back to the Flex world to see what they missed. Jeff http://www.flexauthority.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:15 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price > We've seen a fair number of people prototyping with Flex but few deploying 'real' applications. The price increases and limitations e.g. Internationalization will likely make prototyping the only thing we ever do with Flex even though we have purchased it. > > Frankly, we are considering contributing time/effort to Laszlo. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > Surely the fact the price is going up means that it is not selling well (and possibly the whole RIA scene is not as widespread as you are led to believe). If Flex was booming the costs would come down allowing more users to adopt and Flex to continue to thrive. > > I would be interested to see how many people actually have purchased Flex and are using it with Gusto - I bet it is not as widespread as it's made out to be. > > > > > > > > > From: Valy Sivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 31 March 2005 15:33 > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price > > Lucian, > > "4 CPUs and Gold Support for $29,000. That's actually cheaper > than Flex was in the past for 4 CPUs + Gold Support." > > It's like going to the car dealer ship and the guy tells me that the Lexus SUV is the only new base model...but don't worry...that it's still cheaper than buying 2 Lexus Sedans... lol! > > "Finally, for software vendors who want to embed Flex in their applications, we have special pricing built around your requirements and your market. However, and this is important, where you see value in Flex, we are interested in working with you to design the right packaging for your needs. If you are interested in using Flex on a real project, let us know so we can work with you and find the right packaging/pricing to fit your needs. " > It's clear for me that MM have this price for the big fishs... Small fishs like many of us needs to negociate with the sales contact and see how much might cost... I'm affraid that can't beat 12k/2 CPUs... that was still considered expensive by many potential users... > > I'm sure that soon the RIA - market will cool off a bit and MM will come back with special discounts, etc. > > Regards, > Valy > > Lucian Beebe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We wanted to make a package that applies to many people for their first Flex > application or for several smallish Flex applications. When things get big > or industrial strength, more than four is required. But this should apply to > the small and medium business and be good for those proof of concept > projects. > > Lucian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sjors Pals [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:18 AM > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price > > > 4CPU? Why on earth would someone like to use that on precompiled stuff? > > Regards, > > Sjors Pals > > > Michel Jansen wrote: > > > Matt Horn wrote: > > > > > >>An old dutch saying : Prices can only go down... Laszo/BackBase > > > time?? > > > > > > Was this before or after the tulip craze? :) > > > > You can make a joke off this but i think that raising the price for your > > licenses more than 100% is not the smartest thing to do! It can be > > actually cheaper for the 4 CPU License with Gold Support but i am > > loosing a customer here ;-(( > > > > Good luck... > > > > Michel > > > > > > > > matt > > > > > > *Yahoo! 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