To Matthew below, certainly this is not a joke. But where you have been working on something great, lets talk. I'll contact you off line.
On Laszlo, I am not going to start a whole Flex vs Laszlo discussion here, but suffice it to say that there are a lot of benefits for Flash Player 7 *if* you take advantage of them. Simply compiling a Flash Player 5 application for Flash Player 7 won't help a lot. There are values in accessibility, remote object binary protocols, performance optimizations, and dozens more, that all require lots of changes to leverage the new capabilities in Flash Player 7. We have most certainly done those all and many more in Flex 1.5. Finally, to the question of whether Flex is selling or not. The economists on this list have it right. We are selling Flex in great numbers. You may have seen that in December, we had over 200 customers. As a public company in the US, we are not allowed to give you specific updates, but suffice it to say that we are very excited about the success we are seeing and that has just encouraged us to adjust pricing and commitment in line with that success. Lucian -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Shirey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:17 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price What about a 2cpu license? Please answer. Your 'starter kit' is overkill for us. If our price is based on a minimum 4cpu price, then this is no longer a joke at all. We will have to drop Flex and never look back. We will have wasted months of training and actual development time. This is NOT a price I can justify to anyone. We're seriously disappointed in Macromedia at this time. We're a very small shop and its starting to look like Macromedia does not care about the little guy at all anymore. -- Matthew On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:00:13 -0500, Darron J. Schall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jeff Steiner wrote: > > >Lazslo, while the samples look great, is still based upon Flash player 5 > >(Beta 3 of Lazslo is player 6). It is one of those things where you have to > >wonder - how does Lazslo know what to extend of the Flash Player. The > >people that are contributing to it make guesses and try to extend the > >capabilities as far as they can, but they are still limited in their > >knowledge. I have never seen an API to the Flash player made readily > >available to the public. Also - as the Flash Player gets more complicated > >it will become more difficult to code hooks into the player to give > >developers the same functionality that is provided by Flex, and Breeze, and > >Flash, ........ > > > > > As a Flash developer, I'd like to chime in here.. > > The fact that Lazslo works on Flash Player 5 really isn't an issue. In > fact, I'd say it's a bonus! Here's why: > > * Because Lazslo outputs to Flash Player 5, it has a larget target > audience. See the penetration stats: > http://www.macromedia.com/software/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetra tion.html > -- FP 5 is 97%. FP7 is 82% - so apps created in Laszlo have a better > chance of being viewed > > * There are no "older is slower" arguments. The v7 player will play a > v5 swf faster than the v5 player, because the v7 player itself is faster > than the v5 player. > > * The internals are abstracted away. Right now your Lazslo code > publishes to .swf, but it's not tied to the Flash Player in any way - > there are no MovieClip references, etc in your lazslo code. In fact, > you don't even use ActionScript, you write in JavaScript. There's > nothing to stop someone from writing a new "player" and with a few > tweaks to the Laszlo compilation process you could have output for that > new player. > > When you develop an application, do you really care about the internal > API calls of Flash Player 7? If I'm a Lazslo developer, I say no.. I > know what tags I can use in my markup, I know what the APIs are, and I > use them and get a *working* .swf file. As long as it works, that's all > I care about. If SWF5 is all it takes to make it work, then that's cool. > > Is there anything in v7 SWF that would benefit Lazslo apps? Not > really. Some of the new things added in FP 7 over FP 6 is case > sensitivty, depth management functions (getNextHighestDepth..) , context > menu, etc,. The biggest change would probably be embedded video, and > that may be a show stopper for some.. but it's rare that an > "application" needs video in it. FP 6 adds some things over FP5 like > ShardObjects, so I can see how upgrading to v6 in that respect would be > benefitical. FP 6 also added different event handlers than FP5 > (.onPress, vs on (press)) - but that has 0 effect on how I code my > Lazslo markup. The FP6 style event handlers are meant to make AS coding > easier, but Lazslo doesn't care about that because it has it's own > coding model. > > The fact that Lazslo accomplishes what it does on an old version of the > SWF format is not a drawback, it's a benefit. There's really no reason > to use SWF7 if everything you need to do can be accomplished in SWF5. > The fact that Lazslo separates itself from the Flash Player is another > benefit as well.. If something should ever happen, maybe legal issues > or whatever, Lazslo can output to, say, Java applets or whatever, since > the code is all abstracted from the VM and the compilation process > handles the dirty work of putting your code into a format the VM can > understand. > > -d > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
