If this appears again it;s not intended double post. Hi all, hi Jochem It was very nice of you detailing in your answer some points of my original post. Only, please allow me some rectifications... You write: 1. > It might be a good idea to take on less projects, but for a higher > margin. Not having time to study is not a good place to be long-term. To me study is the deeper phase of reading... 2. > A better distinction between the free and commercial offerings. All > commercial IDE offerings are branded Flash something, all the free > open source stuff is branded Flex something. In case you didn't notice, FlexBuilder3 is not a FOSS "someting". It has a nice price tag (Adobe invoiced this close to 700 in our case). BTW I wonder what the upgrade price path will be from Flex Builder3 to Fash Builder4 (?) if any...
3. > Why would you? You wrote in another message you work with Hibernate > and BlazeDS. In those cases you identify yourself with the application > / framework you work with. Why would you in the case of Flash/Flex > identify yourself with the IDE? You are not calling yourself Eclipse > or JBuilder developer just because that is the IDE you use for your > Java development either. This is true. Then brand name "Flash" is recognised worldwide as (Flash) Player a free installable (like the free Acrobat Reader - everybody has one... installed). The everyday man/woman understands this as a fact, while few hardly ever heard of Flash MediaServer. 4. > BlazeDS is the free, unsupported, open-source offering for fast > communication with Java backends. It will continue to be so for the > foreseeable future. Adobe will continue to develop it. Adobe will not > support it nor market it because it is not a source of revenue. LCDS > will be supported and marketed because it is a source of revenue. I remember Flex DataServices. Then after Macromedia acquisition by Adobe in 2005, this was put under the LCES umbrella of the commercial range of products. LiveCycle products of course carry price tags of tens of thousands of dollars... If I recall some recent posts correctly, the new version 3 of LCDS will have a pric tag of $30000 per CPU.. By this I am not implying LCDSES isn't a for more complete/advanced product already, than BlazeDFS. I only refer to discussions about the price policy being fair on this product.. It has been a long way since John Warnock and Chuck Geschke co-founded Adobe in 1982 (and Thomas Knoll wrote Photoshop). And this has been a most marvelous/succesfull way. I wish this way will keep true in the future. Thanks all George --- In [email protected], "GeorgeB" <grg_b...@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Well said. Three cheers Paul! > Then Mike, your comment about right brained designers and left brained > developers is most descriptive, though I am not sure about exactness, being > an ignorant on the subject.LOL > > BTW folks this is not a crusade I started. It is just offending my logic, > what marketeers do most of the time.. > > George > > --- In [email protected], Paul Andrews <paul@> wrote: > > > > Mike wrote: > > > It's too late, the damage is done, but I agree also FWIW. > > > An Adobe VP told me about "Flex" being the open source branding, and > > > "Flash" being the commercial product branding. There is no way that > > > customers will figure that out. They have enough trouble understanding > > > that developers are left-brained and designers are right-brained. > > > > > > One should not target a single brand at two classes of individuals who > > > have different educations, different values, different world views, drive > > > different cars and listen to different music. If you believe you know of > > > a top-notch designer who is also a top-notch developer, your standards > > > are too low. One cannot excel at both career paths - humans are too > > > finite. > > > > > Yes, Macromedia were smart. They established Flex as a high-end serious > > development system that could compete with other "serious" development > > systems and distanced it from flash eye-candy. Adobe have now managed to > > shift the perception of Flex from top-end to something that's used for > > eye-candy frivolity with the association with flash. We all know that's > > not true, but the larger companies looking at serious development wont > > make the distinction between Flex for serious work and flash for > > animation. I suspect it'll end up as a case study of" not what to do" in > > branding lectures. > > > > Paul > > > Mike > > > ... who tries to excel as a developer and has great respect for excellent > > > designers > > > > > > > > > > > >>> âYes, I can see your point. I think the two of us are the only > > >>> people who > > >>> > > >>> think that the Flex brand is weakened by the Flash moniker.â > > >>> > > >>> No, there are more of us... We just arenât as vocal! > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > >
