So much vitriol against poor Mr. Jobs. You'd swear he piddled in you guys' corn 
flakes.

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <lmacne...@...> wrote:
>
> The whole reason I chose to learn Flex is that it (at the time) ran on every 
> available platform. It was THE cross-platform language to learn.
>

Come now. Jobs didn't advise you to learn Flash. That was your own initiative. 
In fact, I'm pretty sure if you'd asked Jobs, say, 3-5 years back which 
languages/frameworks you should learn, Flash would not have been one of them. 
And in fact, anyone with any sense would have advised you that it's silly to 
specialize in some company's proprietary software and expect that to be the 
be-all and end-all of your training. Really, should Jobs now subsidize your 
paycheck because you chose to focus entirely on a technology that has _always_ 
been buggy on Macs?


>
> My arguments are not specious -- I *was* a part of that market at one time. 
> I'm being shut out of a market through NO FAULT OF MY OWN. Every Apple 
> product in the world will soon have zero support for Flash -- that's NOT what 
> I signed up for when I learned Flex. The MAIN REASON I learned Flex was for 
> its cross-platform capabilites. I never had to worry about what system my 
> programs were running on. Now Apple is gone from that equation -- ergo 25% of 
> my customers just disappeared, unless I can get them all to buy PCs. Thanks, 
> Steve!
>

He hasn't shut you out. You are just refusing to adapt to the new rules. Go 
learn Objective C, or whatever Jobs wants you to learn if you want to stay in 
the Mac game. It's probably not hard to learn, either -- possibly even fun, if 
Jobs recommends it.


> It just really angers me if I were to own a device and some entity somewhere 
> tells me I cannot run my own software on it. I would be ranting against MS or 
> Linux just as angrily, if they were to suddenly come out and say I couldn't 
> run a particular piece of software just because they "don't like it anymore." 
> (And, yes I read that article where MS says that HTML5 is the 'future of the 
> internet.' They said nothing about removing Flash support from Microsoft 
> Windows in that article. Steve Jobs IS going to remove Flash from all Apple 
> products everywhere -- THAT'S my problem with this!)
>

Newflash: Microsoft reserves the right to remove support for Flash if they 
decide it's in their long-term commercial interest to do so. Consider yourself 
warned.


> >
> > If you want to develop for the iP*, then learn objective C or use 
> > HTML5/Javascript. If you don't then don't. Again, it's a simple choice you 
> > can make.
>
> It's NOT a simple choice -- learning a whole other programming language is 
> not a simple task. Before old Steve-o came out against Flash, I could write 
> one program that would work on Windows, Linux, and Mac. Now Mac is gone from 
> that equation -- thanks to some facist prick who thinks he knows everything 
> that everyone else should do.
>

Stop the name calling and hit the books, G. You sound a bit like a man with a 
pickaxe complaining that the construction companies have decided to use only 
jackhammers.
 

> Yes, technologies do change -- but it should be the free market that 
> determines which technologies survive and which don't, not some ivory-tower 
> egghead who determines by fiat what's best for everyone. THAT'S why I called 
> Steve Jobs a bastard. Perhaps I should've said elitist bastard to make it 
> clearer.
>
> I truly DESPISE it when ONE person has the power to mess up things in my 
> life. If everyone decided ON THEIR OWN to stop using Adobe Flash, that would 
> be a completely different story -- the majority would have spoken, and I 
> could more easily accept the outcome. But Jobs is simply deciding that he 
> knows best, and we're going to all follow him because he's so damn smart. 
> THAT is not the free market!
>

Come on, bro. It's capitalism at work. You don't like it, let's all lobby the 
government to take these sorts of decisions out of the hands of capricious 
executives -- and put them in the hands of the democratic majority, where they 
obviously belong. Technology will move forward so much faster without those 
pesky businessmen in the way.


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