HTC HD2 sold out in a matter of days since it hit the US, now verizon
and ATT are advertising it. Has flash, and since jobs rant i am very
interested, especaiily given Iphones poor "connectivity" into the
business office world. I think my company would applaud if they cut
out flash because uor netwrk guys hate Macs
Just another twisted tyrant showing his skin
2 centts
Bill
- Bill -
On May 2, 2010, at 8:00 PM, "Laurence" <lmacne...@comcast.net> wrote:
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton <g...@...> wrote:
>
> Jeez...it's *three* devices, and you *do* have a choice...
It's gonna be a hell of a lot more than just 3 portable devices,
when Jobs removes Flash from OSX. That's every Mac in the world.
There are a LOT of Macs out there...
The whole reason I chose to learn Flex is that it (at the time) ran
on every available platform. It was THE cross-platform language to
learn.
>
> You're annoyed because you're being shut out of a market you want
to be in, but your arguments as to why you should be allowed into
that market are specious.
My arguments are not specious -- I *was* a part of that market at
one time. I'm being shut out of a market through NO FAULT OF MY OWN.
Every Apple product in the world will soon have zero support for
Flash -- that's NOT what I signed up for when I learned Flex. The
MAIN REASON I learned Flex was for its cross-platform capabilites. I
never had to worry about what system my programs were running on.
Now Apple is gone from that equation -- ergo 25% of my customers
just disappeared, unless I can get them all to buy PCs. Thanks, Steve!
>
> If you buy an iPod/Pad/Phone, you buy it as is, knowing what it
can and can't do. It can't do Flash. If you don't like that, don't
buy the device, it's really very simple. If you want to hack it to
make it capable of running Flash, then sure, go ahead, no-one is
going to sue you. You might not be able to claim on your warranty or
update the OS once you do that but, yes, it's your choice if you
want to go that way. Most people don't because most people can
actually live without Flash, believe it or not.
I agree with you here -- knowing in advance that it doesn't run
Flash is a good thing, and people can then make a choice
accordingly. It just really angers me if I were to own a device and
some entity somewhere tells me I cannot run my own software on it. I
would be ranting against MS or Linux just as angrily, if they were
to suddenly come out and say I couldn't run a particular piece of
software just because they "don't like it anymore." (And, yes I read
that article where MS says that HTML5 is the 'future of the
internet.' They said nothing about removing Flash support from
Microsoft Windows in that article. Steve Jobs IS going to remove
Flash from all Apple products everywhere -- THAT'S my problem with
this!)
>
> If you want to develop for the iP*, then learn objective C or use
HTML5/Javascript. If you don't then don't. Again, it's a simple
choice you can make.
It's NOT a simple choice -- learning a whole other programming
language is not a simple task. Before old Steve-o came out against
Flash, I could write one program that would work on Windows, Linux,
and Mac. Now Mac is gone from that equation -- thanks to some facist
prick who thinks he knows everything that everyone else should do.
> Technologies change, sometimes their fortunes rise and sometimes
they fall. Flash has been the undisputed winner in the RIA wars up
till now. Jobs is betting the future of the iP* platform on HTML5.
Maybe he's wrong about it, but maybe he isn't. Time will tell.
Yes, technologies do change -- but it should be the free market that
determines which technologies survive and which don't, not some
ivory-tower egghead who determines by fiat what's best for everyone.
THAT'S why I called Steve Jobs a bastard. Perhaps I should've said
elitist bastard to make it clearer.
I truly DESPISE it when ONE person has the power to mess up things
in my life. If everyone decided ON THEIR OWN to stop using Adobe
Flash, that would be a completely different story -- the majority
would have spoken, and I could more easily accept the outcome. But
Jobs is simply deciding that he knows best, and we're going to all
follow him because he's so damn smart. THAT is not the free market!
