This is a good argument Dave. I agree AJAX is good in it's data retrieval; but my experiences thus far is that it is a "hack" more than anything. If you have any good url examples maybe I'll reconsider this.
To me, Search Engine Indexing is an issue here also; that may not be important for Corprate Intra-net, but for the Cinematic eCommerce "experience" as you call it (and I agree) with the local data that can be managed in an actual data-management paradigm (again versus a hack) it is a huge selling factor. I have a method of indexing to Google until there is full Search Engine compliance and protocol with Flash. My main argument actually in all of this, is I just know, and again, mark my words, that MS will attempt hacks in the next 2 years, just as they did for Java JVM for Sun (and remember this was proven fact) and Apple's QuickTime (also proven fact), and Blue Mountain and Real Player had their issues...I strongly believe with the coming of Avalon, and the dramatic milestone in Video Flash Player 8 has made, that we will see the opportunistic activities to try to harm flash player... ...I'm going to stop there but this is all good discussion for one reason: The Flex guys need all the perspective they can get just in case they are unaware of what some of us know...I hope Ajax does what it can do...but then again, DHTML was supposed to be more than it actually is so was VRML...nuff said... -r --- Dave Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem with this argument is that there are > indeed very good > products which make using AJAX extremely easy these > days in a simple > 4GL environment. You can do things like right click > a control, enable > AJAX and bind that right to data. I can do an AJAX > development demo > that will have you gawking. > > You can also get into them at well under the $25K > price for the TIBCO > one that got referenced in here. > > The whole point everyone is glossing over is that we > all keep talking > about how Flex is vs AJAX. I think thats a HUGE > mistake. I would > talk about how similar Flex actually is. > > See, AJAX is just the idea of pulling discrete > potions of data back > and feeding that data into the UI. When you mix > that with the ability > to update the UI with dynamic updates without page > refreshes you know > show true value in the approach. > > But see.... Thats what Flex does. By default Flex > data services are > async and by default you can update discrete potions > of the UI without > page refresh. > > Now, with Flex thats just the smallest snippet of > what makes it so > valuable. A truly rich cinematic experience, > animations, great > controls, great tools, amazing UI's, none of the > restructions of HTML. > None of the nightmare of DHTML, etc. And the whole > HTML/DHTML part > is what people just gloss over. So many companies > can point to huge > failures with DHTML projects. DHTML is the dirty > little secret the > AJAX pundits dont want to talk about. > > So generally when I'm asked to compare and contrast, > I tend to compare > more then contrast. I say look, async data access > is important, and > Flex does an amazing job of it. Actually Flex does > it the exact way > an AJAX project would. However async data access is > just the first 25 > miles in a long journey. You need a solution that > can go the whole > trip, and make the experience amazing. > > Just my ramblings..... > > -- > Dave Wolf > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > http://www.cynergysystems.com > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Office: 866-CYNERGY x85 > > > --- In [email protected], Dave Carabetta > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 11/3/05, Aldo Bucchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thanks Daniel, Dave > > > > > > Dave, it might be in alpha, but it is still > excelent leverage that can > > > be used today. If a big client goes for an > expensive Ajax framework > > > for all 2006 then good bye to selling flex for a > whole year. I don't > > > want that to happen. > > > > > > > I certainly understand that, but it's kind of > tough to do a price > > comparison, in my opinion. Flex is, to an extent, > a shrink-wrapped > > product with a known price tag. AJAX products > aren't the result of > > using a product that has a price tag -- the true > cost is in the > > development/debugging hours. Sure, there are AJAX > libraries that > > certainly help out, but it's not really the same. > Scott Barnes has > > some excellent blog entries (www.mossyblog.com, > specifically > > http://www.mossyblog.com/archives/454.cfm) with > some AJAX/DHTML vs. > > Flex development anecdotes, which I personally > feel are more > > indicative of the true "cost" rather than looking > at price tags. > > > > Regards, > > Dave. > > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). 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