Re: [flexcoders] Re: WebOrb for Rails

Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:37:14 -0700

I agree, they should push FDS. The question is, should they push their version or Midnights version?
 
This is the same issue with AMFPHP. MM didn't push it but the acknowledged it and even had some tutorials on how to use it.
 
To ask a company to push someone else's product that does the same as their product is a big request. Maybe they'll bake it into their product and maximize their revenue by reaching more languages or they could forget the revenue and stifle their FDS development since someone else already did it.
 
This isn't going to go anywhere, seriously. Adobe is going to do what is best for the biz then for the community, like pretty much any biz.
 
On 10/6/06, ben.clinkinbeard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> why the heck should they push it?!?
Because it makes Flex more attractive/a legitimate possibility to a
MUCH larger audience.

> Adobe (and Macromedia before) are (IMHO) doing a lousy job in
> promoting ColdFusion to other than the already converted.
How so? Pretty much every tutorial out there focuses on a Java and/or
CF backend.

I get the feeling that some of you think switching backends is the
easy part of the equation, which is totally not the case. Flex (the
framework, player, etc) is a front-end, client technology. That is
where its real value and revolutionary capabilities lie. One of its
main strengths is that it can be "slapped onto" virtually any
technology stack and significantly improve both the user experience
and the client-side development process.

Switching backends is anywhere from extremely difficult to impossible.
I work in a large, enterprise scale organization that primarily uses a
Microsoft technology stack. I was able to convince them to use Flex
precisely because of its technology agnosticism; give me some web
services and I'm good. If I had said "well, we'll need to get a CF
license and write some EJBs, etc" I would have been laughed out of the
room. Its simply not an option.

If the goal is to increase the number of Flex developers, why would
you shut out (or at least actively ignore) everyone not on a CF/Java
stack? That makes no sense. Flex is a very large part of Adobe's
future, so they should absolutely promote any technology that makes
using it easier and/or lowers the barriers to entry.

Ben
http://www.returnundefined.com/

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wrote:
>
> > Why isn't WebOrb all over the dev center? Why isn't Adobe
pushing it?
>
> why the heck should they push it?!? In my eyes they're doing
> bugger-all to help the CFEclipse IDE which also supports an Adobe
product.
>
> midnight coders has their own revenue stream. they stand or fall by
> the products they sell/give away.
>
> Adobe (and Macromedia before) are (IMHO) doing a lousy job in
> promoting ColdFusion to other than the already converted. (might
> change for CF8... wait and see).
>
> it's disheartening to see so much promotional effort spent on Flex
> ("ColdFusion? what's that, an ice cream?") and then find Adobe are
> quite happy have ColdFusion upstaged by RonR with a GPL licence for
> remoting.
>
> Remoting for CF (and I just mean the simple AMF0/AMF3 stuff) was a
> feature that had real value to leverage CF sales because the
> alternatives were AMFPHP (IMHO PHP isn't as RAD as CF) or the
> expensive Java or .NET remoting (remember them? almost as expensive as
> a CF licence).
>
> the expensive ColdFusion licences are killing us CF'ers. My gut
> feeling is that the good sales figures thrown around on CF7 licences
> are only reflecting churning/upgrades.
>
> Faced with a FREE solution in RonR with FREE remoting, for core
> features ColdFusion starts to look really expensive. The fact that
> ColdFusion has remoting too is now a valueless selling point: Remoting
> is now a "me too" product.
>
> and yes, I realise RonR and CF are not equal, CF seems to have better
> integration to both Java and (hopefully) other Adobe product. But for
> core features and a section of the development market I've got a
> strong hunch that RonR will eat deep into the PHP world and - by
> extention - affect CF sales. ColdFusion is already being attacked by
> .NET (by gosh! it has remoting too!)
>
>
> > By promoting WebORB it would be good for the community it would be
good
> > for Flex.
>
> yes it would be good for Flex but weborb does nothing for ColdFusion -
> an Adobe product. winners and loosers.
>
> to me it seems Adobe has dropped the ball on Remoting. I just can't
> work out why it didn't provide the solutions (at an affordable price)
> themselves and leave very little room for Weborb to exist. they had
> heaps of time to build for different platforms.
>
>
> bah humbug!
>




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