Hi Shad,
I run google mail so I went back and searched all the email threads with
your name in it, and what I saw initially was some good and fair questions
from you (the new user.) Then I saw the correct people who knew the answers
jump in with helpful information that pointed you in the right direction in
a timely manner.
We aren't perfect here, but I think you should go back and read through
those early threads and remind yourself what a friendly, helpful, and
technically solid group of good people we have here.
I see there was a short discussion on the typical license terms of "free"
MSFS aircraft and scenery and that all seemed reasonable. Then Arnt posted
something which started out loosely based on the original thread and headed
off onto his own personal soap box and that's just what Arnt does.
Other than that, I saw a bit of discussion about some technical aspects of
water landings and suggestions for the default FlightGear behavior.
So unless all this happened in private email, I honestly don't know where
you are getting any of this from? All the discussion on the public mailing
list that derived from any of your questions or comments was professional,
courteous, timely, and helpful.
No one is begging you to use FlightGear (and I'm not saying it's always
perfect around here) so please do whatever works best for your situation.
But when I go through the archives to look at all the responses to all your
specific questions, I see a great group of helpful people, and that is worth
pointing out once in a while.
If you want to see an actual example of the sort of behavior you have
described, try reporting an emacs bug to RMS. :-)
(And yes, I am deliberately top posting my reply to see if any of the nice
folks here will flame me.) ;-)
Curt.
On Dec 28, 2007 6:43 PM, Shad Young <> wrote:
> I have backed out of the commercial project involving FG. Thanks to the
> attitudes displayed by a few of you here I have no interest in
> contributing to this sim on any level, nor do I really wish to be
> involved in this community.
>
> Maybe one of you will pick it up. I hope one of you does, as you are not
> all bad. Just a few of you, but those few killed it for me.
>
> Who am I to complain? I have been involved in Free and Open Source
> software development for some 13 years now. I have participated in FOSS
> (FSF/OSS) advocacy in depth, including taking on the fight directly by
> forming a nationwide coalition of Linux users. I have been named one of
> the Top 25 News makers by IT World for my efforts. I suspect I am
> actually a bit more passionate and informed about FOSS than most, if
> not all, of you here.
>
> Having been around for this long, I am rather disturbed by the words and
> behavior of some of you here. In less than a couple of weeks on this
> list, I have seen all the worst behavior of FOSS.
>
> 1. I have seen mindless disdain of MS users, even though this
> application is cross-platform.
>
> 2. I have seen the always distasteful "be grateful we are helping you
> because it is free" BS.
>
> 3. I have seen the always disgusting "I do not understand you therefor I
> will call your words 'irrelevant nonsense' simply because I do not agree
> with you" garbage.
>
> 4. I have seen the "commercial application of this project" bitterness
> (which is what the GPL expressly encourages and permits, you idiots -
> And by the way, when I create a model for MSFS, the model source,
> textures and even the XML and FDM can indeed be GPLed because they are
> not based on anybody else work, they are based on unique and original
> work which is mine to copyright in anyway I see fit).
>
> 5. I have seen the "you are not allowed to speak because you are new"
> crap that is so common on open source devel lists,
>
> 6. along with the age old "troll" accusations if somebody expresses a
> contrary opinion.
>
> 7. and I have seen the "I/he/we have contributed code, therefor I/he/we
> know more than you" or the "what have you done?" crap.
>
> Frankly, it turns my stomach.
>
> Sharing and openness is not about you. It is about the user. Why should
> this project be taken seriously by the flight simulator community if you
> people can not figure that out.
>
> If you only get satisfaction from contributing because it makes you feel
> powerful and strokes your ego, and not because you think it is right; if
> you feel that your contributions are only for you, and not for the
> betterment of all mankind, then you have no place in my world.
>
> So do not preach to me. Doing so is about as ridiculous as a choirboy
> preaching to the Bishop.
>
> Good riddance.
> Shad
>
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