Melchior FRANZ wrote:

> [...] All others that have
> recently been cited as someone who left because of an
> allegedly rough climate here AFAIK actually left because
                               ^^^^^
I conclude this might be the central cause of the trouble you face (and
bring to this group): You're simply too agnostic about what happens
outside your view onto a) this project and b) social interaction.
Your habit of refusing to accept the facts even if they're being
explicitly told to you makes it even worse.

> That "rough climate" is usually attributed to Vivian and
> me. Our "problem": we call ugly hacks "ugly hacks", bad
> ideas "bad ideas", spades "spades", etc.

No, the ongoing problem is that you're usually - at least when you
think you should be involved - unable to consider someone else having a
better insight into or overview over some design decision or whatever
the 'discussion' is about. Combined with your habit of considering
personal attacks as an adequate means to deal with items/decisions of
which _you_ think they're "ugly, bad" or whatever, this is what is
driving developers away.
You apparently remember the little private note that I've been sending
to you some months ago. Man, you were really upset, you've even been
whining publicly about my "hate mail" on this very list ....  but it
seems you were totally unable to realize that the tone in my EMail was
nothing but a mirror of what you're (too) often doing to other list
members.

> Besides: compared to other technical mailing lists
> fgfs-devel is pure hugging area.  :-P 

Lurkers on this list consider you being immune to any sort of attacks
after you've been able to stand 'flightgear-devel' for a while ....

        Martin.
-- 
 Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !
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