On Sunday 21 October 2007 01:41, Sid Boyce wrote:
> Paul Duncan wrote:
> > --- leee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> At low display TOWs, and while in service, the
> >> take-offs were much more
> >> aggressive than XH558's test-flight take-off, shown
> >> in the clips, but even
> >> that gives some idea of what they were like:)  The
> >> noise, of course, was
> >> indescribable, probably only matched by the
> >> Lightning at low-level and on
> >> full re-heat:)
> >
> > I saw one do a display at Cosford in the mid 80's and
> > it came down in an almost silent glide about 200 feet
> > above the runway, then pulled up vertical and gave it
> > what must have been full throttle and went straight
> > up. It was awesome, and the ground just shook!
> >
> > Paul
> > ~~~~~
>
> With that wing span, I'd expect them to have great gliding
> characteristics, unlike the Lightning. I also know of an occasion when a
> Canberra B2 out manoeuvered a Lightning with a dive, splashed his target
> and left him behind in the climb. BTW, the B2 photo I promised quite a
> while ago didn't come out at all well when I scanned it.
> There are a few tales,  when the Vulcan that did the Vulcan completed
> the H-bomb drop off Xmas Island and reported back to Hickham AF base,
> the controllers couldn't believe it, they were expecting them much
> later. The other was after the drop, the navigator had difficulty in
> convincing the pilot that he was not flying upside down.
> An ex-colleague flew as nav in Vulcans, he and another Vulcan nav, a
> long time acquaintance via hamradio projects and a CAA examiner at
> Wellesbourne as well as a CAA inspector told me that if you ever wanted
> to experience severe turbulance, you'd have to fly in a Vulcan at 250
> MPH at 200 feet. I experienced mountain waves in a 757 over Colorado and
> that was a bad enough 20 minutes.
> Regards
> Sid.

AFAIK all the UK air-drop A/H-bomb tests in the Pacific used Valiants.

In the first series of tests (Grapple 1, 2 & 3) Christmas Island (now known as 
Kiritimati) was only used as the base of operations - the instrumentation 
site, i.e. the target island, was Malden, about 365 miles to the south-east.  
In the second series (Grapple X, Y & Z) the high-yield tests were airbursts 
over the ocean, a few miles off the southern end of Christmas Island and only 
the low-yield (igniter) balloon tests were done over land.

The Valiants posted to Christmas Island for the first series were XD818, 
XD822, XD823 & XD824 with XD818 becoming the first British aircraft to drop 
an H-bomb, albeit not a very effective one at just 300kt yield (It was 
predicted to be a 1Mt yield device).

The Valiants posted to Christmas Island for the second series of tests were 
XD822 & XD824 again, along with XD825 & XD827.

In both series of tests the Valiants launched from and recovered back to 
Christmas Island.

LeeE


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