On Tuesday 29 May 2007 11:04:56 MacArthur, Ian (SELEX) (UK) wrote:
> Unfortunatley, that example doesn't reflect the reality of open-source
> development. No one is assigning workers here, it's a community, folk
> just work on the bits that matter to them.

Ok, "assigning" might be a little harsh term, "settling priotities" would be 
better term :) If not, than here is total anarchy, and all this discussion is 
useless.

On Tuesday 29 May 2007 12:07:23 Duncan Gibson wrote:
> I get the idea that if UTF-8 were added to the stable 1.1 then more
> users would attracted to fltk, and would stay with fltk. Heck, if

As much as I know FLTK 1.x, to be honest I'm beginner with FLTK in general, 
it's not just UTF-8 support that makes FLTK "would be better" library, there 
is also cleaner interface, cleaner API, all things putted in namespace...

> other, heavy, toolkits that do. [Millan's threat to go to FOX?]

Threat!? No, this aint threatening, I already said that it was not supposed to 
be taken as an ultimatum. Those who work on FLTK both 1.x and 2.x do not 
directly depend on me in any way (for instance, I don't pay them) so I can 
hardly "blackmail" them in the sense "either you do this what I tell you to 
do, or I'm dropping it" :) instead, it was simply my truly intention/opinion. 
I cannot rely any longer on some library in Alpha stage, which will probably 
be in that stage of development for another few years, correct me if I'm 
(ungrateful) wrong, but otherwise would be totally unrational from my side. 
Every time when I download some FLTK 2.x snapshot, I cross my fingers in hope 
that it will at least compile with no errors.

On Tuesday 29 May 2007 15:35:28 Michael Sweet wrote:
> Most of the 2.0 development is being done by Bill, Fabien, and Sanel.
> So far this year:

I'm curious, why don't they join this discussion and say their opinion?? If 
library rests mainly on their shoulders, then that is vital, in contrary this 
all this is just a rant :)

> Actually, the number of commits for 1.x this year (195) isn't
> significantly higher than 2.0 (127) - 60% 1.x and 40% 2.0.  Since
> May 2004, 2.0 has 744 commits and 1.1 has 932 commits - 55% 1.x and

Sorry, but I don't agree that number of commits, solely, are so much relevant 
in determining the ammount of effort that is being invested in development of 
those two libraries. I might change only one, even C++ syntaxicaly, wrong 
line of code, or even change some comment so doxygen generates proper docs in 
future, that however does'nt meant that I contributed some new feature to the 
library or corrected some bug.
As I said I'm not developer, but I know that FLTK 2.x is several years in 
Alpha phaze, with full list of open bugs, almost all of you "route" new users 
to FLTK 1.x because one can never fully count on FLTK 2.x (and who knows when 
he could), while on the other side FLTK 1.x has recently reached version 1.8 
and is stable for a long time. Now, that should be also taken into account 
when talking about attention being given to FLTK 1.x and FLTK 2.x.

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