As I understand it, Frank is an experiment that is an extended version of DBJr that sits atop lesserphic, which sits atop gezira which sits atop nile, which sits atop maru all of which which utilise ometa and the "worlds" idea.
If you look at the http://vpri.org/html/writings.php page you can see a pattern of progression that has emerged to the point where Frank exists. From what I understand, maru is the finalisation of what began as pepsi and coke. Maru is a simple s-expression language, in the same way that pepsi and coke were. In fact, it looks to have the same syntax. Nothing is the layer underneath that is essentially a symbolic computer - sitting between maru and the actual machine code (sort of like an LLVM assembler if I've understood it correctly). They've hidden Frank in plain sight. He's a patch-together of all their experiments so far... which I'm sure you could do if you took the time to understand each of them and had the inclination. They've been publishing as much as they could all along. The point, though, is you have to understand each part. It's no good if you don't understand it. If you know anything about Alan & VPRI's work, you'd know that their focus is on getting children this stuff in front as many children as possible, because they have so much more ability to connect to the heart of a problem than adults. (Nothing to do with age - talking about minds, not bodies here). Adults usually get in the way with their "stuff" - their "knowledge" sits like a kind of a filter, denying them the ability to see things clearly and directly connect to them unless they've had special training in relaxing that filter. We don't know how to be simple and direct any more - not to say that it's impossible. We need children to teach us meta-stuff, mostly this direct way of experiencing and looking, and this project's main aim appears to be to provide them (and us, of course, but not as importantly) with the tools to do that. Adults will come secondarily - to the degree they can't embrace new stuff ;-). This is what we need as an entire populace - to increase our general understanding - to reach breakthroughs previously not thought possible, and fast. Rather than changing the world, they're providing the seed for children to change the world themselves. This is only as I understand it from my observation. Don't take it as gospel or even correct, but maybe you could use it to investigate the parts of frank a little more and with in-depth openness :) The entire project is an experiment... and that's why they're not coming out and saying "hey guys this is the product of our work" - it's not a linear building process, but an intensively creative process, and most of that happens within oneself before any results are seen (rather like boiling a kettle). http://www.vpri.org/vp_wiki/index.php/Main_Page On the bottom of that page, you'll see a link to the tinlizzie site that references "experiment" and the URL has dbjr in it... as far as I understand it, this is as much frank as we've been shown. http://tinlizzie.org/dbjr/ :) Julian On 26/02/2012, at 9:41 AM, Martin Baldan wrote: > Is that the case? I'm a bit confused. I've read the fascinating reports about > Frank, and I was wondering what's the closest thing one can download and run > right now. Could you guys please clear it up for me? > > Best, > > Martin > > On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Julian Leviston <jul...@leviston.net> wrote: > Isn't the cola basically irrelevant now? aren't they using maru instead? (or > rather isn't maru the renamed version of coke?) > > Julian > > > On 26/02/2012, at 2:52 AM, Martin Baldan wrote: > > > Michael, > > > > Thanks for your reply. I'm looking into it. > > > > Best, > > > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > > fonc mailing list > > fonc@vpri.org > > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
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