Victor Mote wrote:
It's not only about the HTML. It's also about the "In-Reply-To"
and/or "References"
header entry. Some mail clients have a thread view (as a tree) and not
having these header entries involves attaching mails manually to the

Hmmm. I use Outlook & it does this for me. Are my emails coming through
messed up?
Some "view source" in Moz reveals a few things.
There is no In-Reply-To nor a References header in Rhett's mail,
but there is
   X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0
   content-class: urn:content-classes:message
   Thread-Topic: Integration of Peter's work
   Thread-Index: AcLC5w8EfopAYM1NRWmF6Xg3Xcc/PQAAvEbg
 From Jeremias Mail
   In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> \
   X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05.06
Peter's mail headers
   User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030115
   X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
   References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 From Victor:
   X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
   X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
   X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
   In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Importance: Normal
   X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106

I guess MS Exchange wants to impose it's own method for threading
on the unsuspecting rest of the world.

Another MUA (or MTA?) which provides only the most basic mail
headers identifies itself as
   X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
and is rather often seen, unfortunately some prolific posters
on XML-DEV use it. Somehow, however, Mozilla often threads these
messages to the start message of the thread rather than starting
a wholly new one.

Additional mailers which seems to be ok
Both In-Reply-To and References:
   X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.6
   X-Mailer: Calypso Version (4)
   X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572
   X-Mailer: mh-e 6.1; nmh 1.0.4+dev; Emacs 21.2
   X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8)
   X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0 (GTK+ 1.2.6; i586-pc-linux-gnu)
   X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.54/10) Personal
   X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.1.1
   X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5
   User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1
   User-Agent: Opera7.0/Win32 M2 BETA2 build 2577
In-Reply-To but but no References
   X-Mailer: <IMail v7.13>
   X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551)
   X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.4.0
   X-Mailer: EdMax Ver2.32.8F
   X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6]
   X-Mailer: EMUmail 4.5
   X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4
   X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V60_M14_08012002NP Release Candidate ...
   X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0 September 26, 2002
   X-Mailer: MailCity Service
   X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.4 (Blindsider)
   X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
   X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627
   X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
   X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
   X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404)
   X-Mailer: Opera 6.05 build 1140
   X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02)
   X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version
   User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs
   User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106
   User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/
   User-Agent: Opera7.0/Win32 M2 BETA2 build 2577
References but no In-Reply-To
   X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7
   X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
   X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106
   X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD   (Windows NT 5.0; U)
   X-Mailer: SKYRiXgreen_3.1 NGMime_4.2.18
   X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange)
   User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4
   User-Agent: KNode/0.7.1
   User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i
   User-Agent: Pan/0.9.7 (Unix)
   User-Agent: Xnews/05.08.12
Not ok:
   X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28
   X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10500
   X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4.2 SunOS 5.8 sun4u sparc
   X-Mailer: freemail 0.9.8
   X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.x (up to 5.0.11)
   X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
   X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module
   X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail
   X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3
   X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0
   X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.41
   X-Mailer: Postman 1.12
   X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.2.0-3_sol28
Unknown status
   X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0
   X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Win32)
   X-Mailer: PHP
   X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster
   User-Agent: Instant Web Mail 0.61
   User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 2.3.7-cvs
   User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82
     (actually, that's the same as the Yahoo mailer above
Not a real MUA
   X-Mailer: (
     (that's Nicola Ken's patch queue script)

I left out newer versions of working programs.
The cluster of "big names" in the "not ok" section is a bit
dissapointing, isn't it? At least, IMB has finally seen the
light now (Notes 6), and MS already a bit earlier.


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