Whoops... :) That was what i meant. On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 00:32 -0400, Jack Doerner wrote: > you're sure you ment "betrayed" and not "protrayed"? ;) > I don't particularly want to be betrayed to anyone... > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Jack Doerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you're sure you ment "betrayed" and not "protrayed"? ;) > > I don't particularly want to be betrayed to anyone... > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Ken VanDine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I am always glad to collect ideas for how things can be improved, but > >> this isn't the point of this email thread. The goal here is to > >> collect ideas around branding and how we want to be betrayed to our > >> target audience. This is a complex thing to really identify and > >> articulate. Please help us articulate how we want to be branded, the > >> rest will follow. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> --Ken > >> > >> > >> e. This also includes a discussion of what we like > >> about Foresight, and what we don't, or needs to be improved to get us > >> to our goal. > >> > >> Please add your thoughts to the wiki page. If the page does get > >> off-topic, I will start a parking lot section, and move ideas there as > >> well if they don't pertain to the discussion. > >> > >> Please share your thoughts, everyone is welcome! Especially for those > >> of us who use and develop Foresight every day, I want to make sure we > >> have a wide range of ideas, to avoid the forest for the trees > >> syndrome. > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:52 PM, James Laver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> On 28/7/08 20:07, "Cory K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> Would it be safe to say "switchers" are 3 groups of people? > >>>> > >>>> * teens->30's > >>>> * 30's->50's > >>>> * 50's on? > >>>> > >>>> These sets of people can be very different and isn't black and white. > >>>> There are gray areas. But this is what happens when you're trying to > >>>> cater to such a broad category of people. Ultimately, it might need to > >>>> be narrowed to exclude some people. > >>>> > >>>> -Cory K. > >>> > >>> > >>> I roughly agree with your categorisation. With that, I have some notes to > >>> add. > >>> > >>> The first and second groups are likely to be switching of their own > >>> accord, > >>> whereas the latter is likely (to take the case of ken's mother), be > >>> switched > >>> by a relative who will have to support their computer. > >>> > >>> The latter case is perhaps a more appropriate candidate for a mac mini, > >>> but > >>> lets gloss over that. > >>> > >>> Let's say switchers want it to work like windows. Assuming we're not > >>> trying > >>> to do a Linspire (gosh, can't we just call it Lindows like it was before?) > >>> and actually replicate windows in linux, let's say these are the important > >>> things: > >>> > >>> It must be really easy to use: > >>> - To setup - okay, this is quite easy, we have a 'zap everything' option. > >>> In > >>> the third case, the relative will be doing it anyway. Check. > >>> - To login - Check. > >>> - To launch an application - The difference is that the gnome foot is a > >>> different icon and is at the top of the screen. Perhaps we should move the > >>> default to the bottom and have only one bar like people are used to. No, > >>> don't quote off the gnome lists at me, I'm aware I'm inducing hatred. > >>> Apart > >>> from that it's quite easy. - FIXME? > >>> - To browse the web - Can we have an icon called 'Internet' on the > >>> desktop. > >>> Not 'firefox', not 'epiphany', 'Internet'. FIXME. > >>> - To setup adsl - Automatic. Check. > >>> -To email - I don't rate evolution at all. I've had serious troubles > >>> trying > >>> to persuade it not to be unusable with IMAP. It's always been the second > >>> most frequent thing I have to kill (the first being firefox - it seems to > >>> be > >>> quite unstable beyond 40 tabs) - FIXME > >>> - To setup an email account - No more convoluted than Outlook Express I > >>> suppose, but evolution is quite convoluted. - FIXME? > >>> - To launch the client. Let's have an 'Email' icon on the desktop. FIXME > >>> - Install software - Packagekit sucks. Lets be honest. Advanced users can > >>> be > >>> fine with conary but they aren't the target audience. Fix packagekit or > >>> find > >>> a replacement. FIXME > >>> - Update the system - See packagekit rant. FIXME > >>> - Produce documents/spreadsheets etc. - Openoffice.org isn't all that bad. > >>> Check. > >>> > >>> Here are differences perhaps we should concentrate on: > >>> > >>> - Different artwork can be confusing. Tango icons go some way to alleviate > >>> this, but the Gnome Foot is not exactly intuitive. FIXME? > >>> - Installing software is just not remotely the windows model. We need to > >>> find a way to make packagekit more obvious to the user but not irritate > >>> the > >>> hell out of them. This should also be disable-able because some of us > >>> aren't > >>> new converts and find such things annoying. An interesting thing to think > >>> about is that the over-50s probably don't want to be installing software > >>> anyway, and the youngins probably want software available for windows. I > >>> suggest we take an approach of software solving problems. I'll flesh this > >>> out below. FIXME > >>> > >>> Here are other things we need to consider for other environments: > >>> - Interoperability in the office: > >>> - MS Office - Largely fine. Nothing we can otherwise do. Check. > >>> - Windows networking. Ridiculously complex. What can we do? FIXME. > >>> - Working with company email: > >>> - POP/IMAP/SMTP - Fine. Check. > >>> - Exchange - Largely fine. Check. > >>> - Domino/Notes - Completely doesn't work. What can we do? FIXME. > >>> - Custom applications. Can't do a lot about these. There are certain > >>> exceptions like visio doesn't do too badly with dia etc., but on the whole > >>> there's nothing we can do about it other than package adequate work-withs. > >>> Sorta-Fixme. > >>> > >>> > >>> Software solving problems: > >>> - I need to produce a picture - GIMP. Okay, it's installed, fine. > >>> - I need to stave off boredom - <list of games>. Okay, installing, fine. > >>> - I need to produce a UML diagram - Dia. Okay, installing, fine. > >>> Etc. > >>> > >>> This is a fundamentally different workflow from the default. It's worth > >>> considering, however. > >>> > >>> Let me know what you think. > >>> --James > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Foresight-devel mailing list > >>> Foresight-devel@lists.rpath.org > >>> http://lists.rpath.org/mailman/listinfo/foresight-devel > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ken VanDine > >> http://ken.vandine.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Foresight-devel mailing list > >> Foresight-devel@lists.rpath.org > >> http://lists.rpath.org/mailman/listinfo/foresight-devel > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Jack Doerner > > > > There are worse crimes than burning books > > One of them is not reading them. > > -Joseph Brodsky > > > > >
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