Made me chuckle, too. My latest grievance, however, was the way you can't tell where the <long list of swear words redacted> cross-reference bookmarks are invisible by default and barely visible if you know how to fiddle the settings (I didn't), so when I moved some text in front of a heading, all the text got included in the cross-reference to that heading when I regenerated, sometimes recursively. That REALLY sucked. My document exploded from 40 pages to almost 200 thanks to that little trick.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Lise Bible <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think I've got any "advanced Frame" ideas to add, but Bernard, your > Word list example made me chuckle. > -Lise > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Bernard Aschwanden < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Lin: Consider making a list of why Word annoys you and share it with > others > > internally or on the list here. > > > > For example: > > > > 1. Numbering > > a. Restarting and continuing lists > > b. Subordinate lists > > 4. Resetting numbering > > c. within lists > > d. between lists > > 5. Just get me FM > > > > > > > > > > As for Advanced Users: First off, is it an advanced user who creates > > content > > as an author or one who builds templates? Or even one who has to work > with > > structure and build/maintain the EDD? > > > > In all cases, a few things to think about or ask them about: > > > > Do they know about this discussion list? > > How long have they used FM? > > Can they define what a reference page, master page, and body page is and > > does? > > Do they know what text frames and text lines are? > > Do they import images by reference? > > Can they troubleshoot numbering (see the above sample)? > > How do they manage paragraph or character tags? > > Can they import formats between documents? > > How do they propose to deal with a document that has manual overrides in > > it? > > Can they generate a book, TOC, and IX file from templates without > guidance? > > Is there something that YOU learn from them about the tool? > > How did they learn FM? > > > > That's a short list from me. Oh, and add in this one: Have them teach > you a > > feature (even if you know it) and see what their workflow is. > > > > Bernard > > > > PS. I also used to ask for a cover letter and resume in FM format. > Serious > > users provided me with a way to gauge how they use the tool for a > document > > that may have unique challenges. I got to see their approach to tags, > empty > > paragraphs, watermarks, variables, or whatever else they felt like > putting > > into it. A great insight. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Framers > > [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com@ > lists.frameusers.com > > ] > > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 9:27 AM > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user? > > > > That's WORD users who do that! > > > > (Finally back in the workforce, currently using Word because until > > yesterday I was a contractor, not an employee. Hoping they get me Frame > > soon, because Word is driving me right up a tree.) > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Art Campbell <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Advanced FM users usually have kind of a 1000 yard stare... > > > And may have little square marks on their faces from banging their > heads > > on > > > the keyboard. > > > > > > > > > Art Campbell > > > [email protected] > > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent > > and > > > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > > No disclaimers > > apply. > > > DoD 358 > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Robert Lauriston < > [email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > If I had a badly maintained FrameMaker book with a lot of cruft on > the > > > > reference pages, inconsistent styles, and so on, I'd ask them to > > > > identify problems and say how they'd clean them up. > > > > > > > > I'd ask to see one or more templates they'd created and have them > > > > detail the process of creating a new book from them. > > > > > > > > Actually, the first thing I'd suggest would be to consider whether > > > > it's time to move on from FrameMaker. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Carol J. Elkins > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Over the next couple of years, I need to help my major client find > > and > > > > train > > > > > an in-house replacement for me as I wind down my freelance > practice. > > > They > > > > > will not consider an independent contractor next time, so it may be > > > > harder > > > > > to recruit and identify someone with the required skills. I've > built > > 20 > > > > > years of documentation for this client in unstructured Framemaker, > > and > > > > > managing these thousands of documents and books depends less on > > someone > > > > > being a good technical writer than being an excellent Framemaker > > user. > > > > > > > > > > For those of you who are corporate employers, I'd like to know how > > you > > > > > screen candidates to identify those who truly are advanced > Framemaker > > > > users. > > > > > Is there a test you employ? Do you ask them to build a template > from > > > > > scratch? Are there certifications that you require? Do you use a > > > > recruiting > > > > > service? How would you locate qualified candidates (in addition to > > > > posting > > > > > to Frameusers)? > > > > > > > > > > Note that I am NOT recruiting; that is still a few years down the > > road > > > > 8-). > > > > > I just need to start thinking about the best way to replace myself. > > My > > > > > long-time designated backup is also planning to retire in the next > > > > couple of > > > > > years, so I have to start again to find the best person for my > job. I > > > am > > > > > willing to train them how to do my job, but it requires their > already > > > > being > > > > > a master of Framemaker. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] > > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > _______________________________________________ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to [email protected] > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to [email protected] > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > > -- > *Save the earth.* It's the only planet with chocolate. > _______________________________________________ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to [email protected] > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > -- Lin Sims _______________________________________________ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to [email protected]
