The first film I made I did not know about setting up and A and B roll so I cut 
the original using a cement splicer. Of course all the splices show and looked 
exactly like what is happening in Meshes. Of course setting up an A and B roll 
costs much more for the lab to make a print.

Since this film was made, probably at the filmmaker’s expense, they chose not 
to do an A and B roll to save funds. I doubted they thought that this film 
would garnish the reputation it now has.

 So I am certain they are cement splices and not tape slices, as u can see in 
one image u can see in the overlap part of Maya Deren’s head from the 
subsequent scene. This overlap only happens with a cement splicer. Most current 
filmmakers not longer use, or even know how, to use a cement splicer. Cement 
splices are permanent and cannot be removed without cutting the frame out.

DA

> On Nov 10, 2024, at 8:40 AM, David Kidman <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> It just looks like the splicer guillotine was not aligned with with the 
> images, so the cuts are all staggered. 
> David 
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2024, at 16:25, Dominic Angerame <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> They seem to be cement splices to the original editing not using AB rolls to 
>> hide the spices
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 7:53 AM Jonathan Walley <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> Hello Frameworkers,
>>> 
>>> Technical question coming in: can someone shed light on the appearance of 
>>> splices in certain experimental films? For example, these sequential frames 
>>> from Meshes of the Afternoon:
>>> 
>>> <Screenshot 2024-11-10 at 9.46.23 AM.png>
>>>      
>>> <Screenshot 2024-11-10 at 9.46.33 AM.png>
>>> 
>>> I understand (or at least assume) that the dark line running along the 
>>> bottom of the first frame is the edge of editing tape, but I don’t think I 
>>> understand why a portion of that frame appears at the top of the second 
>>> frame. That is, why, in addition to seeing the splice line, are we also 
>>> seeing part of the previous frame? This occurs throughout the film.
>>> 
>>> [BTW, these frame grabs are from the old Mystic Fire DVD; the more recent 
>>> restoration, which includes additional shots, looks a lot better, but the 
>>> same frame line phenomenon is still there.]
>>> 
>>> Thanks all - warm wishes in these cold times,
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> Dr. Jonathan Walley
>>> Associate Professor and Chair
>>> Department of Cinema
>>> Denison University
>>> https://denison.edu/people/jonathan-walley
>>> 
>>> 
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