Hi,
Eric Auer escribió:
Hi Aitor...
I'm sorry, but my own opinion is NO. First of all, there are features
about MEM, AtapiCDD and why not, DISPLAY that should be finished...
I would suggest to drop ATAPICDD from that list.
And how is that you suggest it NOW and not THEN?
But worst of all, the large number of bugs already existing. I doubt
that naming it 1.0 would encourage users to patch the 42 existing kernel
bugs.
This might be strongly correlated to people losing interest in a
project which does not even reach version 1.0 after eleven years...
My idea would be that if we start calling things 1.0-preview (as in
"beta 9 release candidate" some people will wake up and check those
42 bugs again - and probably find that half of them already ARE fixed
but nobody had tested since kernel 2024.
I agree that we need testers in order to close those that do not exist.
But I disagree that people will start testing because you call it
pre-release or pre-view.
Our original goal was to start with MS DOS 3.3x compatibility. If you
look at MS's versioning scheme, version 1.0 did not even support directories.
Calling FreeDOS a pre-1.0 beta implies that we did not even manage to
reach DOS 3.3 functionality. Only insiders know that we hesitate because
our goals have grown to, say, cloning MS DOS 7.
We have already discussed about the Spec, and how we are already chasing
5.0 rather than 3.3.
In any case, to mention something that won't hurt anyone, MS-KEYB 3.3
could run on PC/XT. So there are things to have ready (again, working on
that), and most important, the infamous 42 kernel bugs, and a similar
number of bugs in all the rest.
Given the freeze in most aspects of FreeDOS development I would
say it is not good to always raise the goals without sometimes
sitting back and being proud of what we reached so far AND settling
and debugging that state. Instead of getting a certain level stable
I agree.
that is the newest official complete FreeDOS distro until we give
the great comprehensive Blair FreeDOS distro a more charming name.
It feels far better than a "release candidate for beta 10". To me
it feels more a preview of version 1.0 (not the 1.0 itself, as some
things are still on the wishlist).
And the thing is: for how long do you want to have a pre-release till
the official release? At the speed bugs are fixed lately, it will be an
unacceptable amount of time since the presumed 1.0 pre-release till the
final 1.0. So please be cautious.
I think it'd be a very good point ahead MS-DOS to have own CD driver
FreeDOS - never reached version 1.0 but surpassed MS DOS 8 long ago,
historicians could write ;-). Excuse my cynism, but a CD driver is
nice but no standard part of what you get when you buy MS DOS. So if
we find some resources to put into ATAPICDD, cool, if not, that would
not stop FreeDOS from ever reaching 1.0 either.
Okay, I agree. I continue to think that you should have said this in the
previous discussion, though. I collected everything that was said.
KEYB: very close, a couple more of versions, same for DISPLAY.
I would suggest PC-XT compatibilty going first. I assume MS DOS was
at a version number far above 1.0 before it supported Japanese and
MS DOS did not even ever have a layout librarian at all...
Sure, but do you volunteer to use your (presumed) XT and test?
Please, do NOT mix NLS things with string translation. NLS support
(date/time, numeric, etc) is marked as mandatory, string translation isn't.
Right... But see above: We need testers, otherwise we never know
where NLS support is missing. Most people who use FreeDOS at all
just use it in English mode, I guess. Or maybe there is no feed-
back because all except number layout (1.000,00 versus 1,000.00)
already do meet NLS requirements??
Perhaps, but if someone complains then that's a big functional bug, as
it was agreed the tools would meet that.
I don't think it's a good idea to make developers again be
tired of the same 1.0 stuff...
I think most developers REtired because they think their work is
finished and nothing is left to do for 1.0 - so we are in a
dilemma about reaching 1.0, speed lowers as we approach 1.0 :-(.
Talking is cheap, let's end this thread and work.
Aitor
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