I don't buy into the idea that there is a qualitative difference between fictional and non-fictional narrative.

   * If you have ever been interviewed by anyone on anything you
     probably know that you have been misquoted or at least
     misrepresented at some level.  What you knew to be truth when you
     said it became fiction before it was published.
   * If you read the memoirs of anyone you know well, you will find
     that their remembrance of events (and especially the framing and
     the intention of your and probably their actions) differs
     significantly from your own remembrance (or preferred version).

I'm not sure exactly what Lee means by *idiographic* in this case, but I think I might prefer *figurative*. And in that sense, characters and circumstances in fiction are usually (maybe necessarily) *caricatures*.

I'm not precisely sure how I would go about proving this, but I highly doubt that we could learn much if anything about "human nature" if we eliminated *figurative* language from our description of it. It is our very ability to "read between the lines", to "extrapolate and interpolate" that allows us to make generalizations about anything, most especially something as nebulous and fuzzy as "the human condition".

Reading from the CIA Factbook, one might say "the mean height of the Swahili male is 1.97 meters with a variance of .2 meters" but in a travel book it might read "the Swahili are very tall, taller on average than most anyone you have ever met who does not play basketball for a living" and a work of fiction might go off in any direction to give you the true "gist" of just how tall the Swahili's are, and how it feels to be amongst them, etc.

Now you might argue that in a work of fiction, there is nothing suggesting (nor requiring) that the author stay anywhere close to reality... the author might diverge by perhaps referring to "the Swahili" as some other much shorter group of people, perhaps preternaturally short people... and you would be right that the author propagated (knowingly or exceedingly sloppily) "false facts". But the same could happen in non-fiction... many poorly researched and written descriptions of other peoples and other places put forward huge misunderstandings as if they were fact.

I read quite a variety of fiction and non-fiction... and when I read non-fiction I am always aware that the author may either be operating on a skewed model of their subject or may actually have gathered their facts poorly. I value non-fiction writers who are very good at what they do. With fiction writing, I rarely look for accuracy in *facts* except perhaps historical fiction, what I'm looking for are what I would call *deeper truths* about the human condition.

Fiction uses parable and allegory to tell fundamental truths about the human condition. I would suggest that many of us learned more about the human condition by reading Bre'r Rabbit stories or watching the Roadrunner and Wiley E. Coyote cutting up than we do by reading the CIA Factbook or even Travel Books.

I find it sad when people imagine that *Fiction* is nothing more than "entertainment". Jane Austen's novels may give me the best understanding of a certain class of people living in that era than I'll ever get short of becoming a scholar on that era. She may also have propagated numerous subjective slants of her own to me, but that doesn't stop me from reading several history books of the period (who may each paint a distinctly different picture themselves, based on the biases of the authors of *those* books) to help me frame what she wrote.

- Steve
On 14 Oct 2010 at 20:32, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
I don't buy into
the idea that it would help understand the 'human condition' because
after all we are talking about fiction.
And Lee Rudolf wrote:
  a work of
fiction can (probably) be used as an *idiographic*
study of the "human condition" (if one wants to
use it that way), but getting from one idiographic
study (or a whole batch of them) to general
conclusions is ... difficult.

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