Another thing that helps me with Friam disagreements is to think in terms of "both-and" rather than "either-or". In Fiddler on the Roof, Tevya says to A, "you're right". B objects and Tevya says again, "You're right". C says that they can't both be right and Tevya says, "You're also right".
Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Nov 2, 2017 12:31 PM, "gⅼеɳ ☣" <[email protected]> wrote: > Awesome! I appreciate the link, though reading my DSM V entry on BPD > muddies my water. 8^) From your words and those of the link (Mahari), I > can't help but think about patterns of sensory stimuli, as opposed to > "objects", per se. While I completely reject the imputing of object-hood > onto the repeating patterns, I do *not* reject the idea that those who have > trouble inducing patterns from their experiences would have trouble > developing appropriate to their environment. > > In other words, I would reword what you say to something like "... when > the familiar patterns of stimulus are not present." I think it's useful to > reword it that way because it would allow similar reactions to, e.g. a > loved one's traumatic brain injury, where their personality changes in a > fundamental way. Although not that similar, I'm reminded of Shannon > Allen's testimony in the Bowe Bergdahl trial: > > > "Instead of being his wife, I‘m his caregiver," Reuters reported she > testified. "Which doesn’t mean I love him any less, but it’s a very > different dynamic. We can’t even hold hands anymore without me prying open > his hand and putting mine in." > > If we could abandon or soften this silly atomicity fiction, we might get a > better handle on subtle dynamics like that. > > On 11/02/2017 11:16 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Hmm. In my own words: perhaps you've known people who "fall to pieces" > when the object of their attachment isn't present. This often causes that > "object" to flee. Think of boy-girl relationships in adolescence which > sometimes are messed up because of the imprint of the past. > > > > Frank > > > > Frank Wimberly > > Phone (505) 670-9918 > > > > On Nov 2, 2017 12:09 PM, "Frank Wimberly" <[email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Lack of object constancy after childhood is definitely considered to > be symptomatic. If you don't believe something exists unless you are > experiencing it, including yourself, you will have a difficult time. > > > > Here is a link: > > > > http://borderlinepersonality.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/06/ > lack-of-object.html <http://borderlinepersonality. > typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/06/lack-of-object.html> > > -- > ☣ gⅼеɳ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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