I don't trust any government, especially ours at the present moment, to have any moral compass.
On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:03 AM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: > North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ... Do you trust > them to be as moral as you are? > > I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians. When I awoke > I learned that they were hacking into Burisma. > > ----------------------------------- > Frank Wimberly > > My memoir: > https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly > > My scientific publications: > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 > > Phone (505) 670-9918 > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 7:43 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Sorry, George. There's a bigger picture here. I went to CNLS because I >> could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, >> and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more). >> But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building >> parts for new nuclear weapons. >> >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <gtdun...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed >>> much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find >>> quite laudable. And many in its technical staff are our neighbors. >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> < There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL >>>> specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. > >>>> >>>> I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, >>>> administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national >>>> work. It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of >>>> them live in Santa Fe. Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the >>>> federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff < >>>> merlelefk...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM >>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>>> friam@redfish.com> >>>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside >>>> SF City Hall; bring friends >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: *Leslie Lakind* <leftielak...@gmail.com> >>>> Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM >>>> Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; >>>> bring friends >>>> To: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: *Greg Mello* <gme...@lasg.org> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Permalink <http://www.lasg.org/letters/2020/nm_12Jan2020.html> for >>>> this letter. *Please forward! *Other Letters >>>> <http://www.lasg.org/letters/letters.html> >>>> Home page <http://lasg.org/index.htm>; Press Releases >>>> <http://www.lasg.org/press/PressReleases.html>; Bulletins >>>> <http://www.lasg.org/ActionAlerts/action.htm>; >>>> To subscribe to our Friends listserve (formerly by invitation only) send >>>> a blank email here. <lasg_friends-subscr...@lists.riseup.net> To >>>> unsubscribe send a blank email here. >>>> <lasg_friends-unsubscr...@lists.riseup.net> >>>> To subscribe to our Main listserve (less content, less frequent) send >>>> a blank email here. <lasg-subscr...@lists.riseup.net> To unsubscribe send >>>> a blank email here. <lasg-unsubscr...@lists.riseup.net> >>>> Our blog (makeover coming!): *Remember your Humanity >>>> <http://lasg.org/wordpress/>. *Twitter: @TrishABQ >>>> <https://twitter.com/#%21/TrishABQ>. >>>> Contribute. <http://www.lasg.org/contribute.htm> Volunteer. Contact us >>>> (Greg and Trish in our main office <http://www.lasg.org/contact.htm>, Lydia >>>> Clark in our Santa Fe office <clark4...@msn.com>) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *This letter: * >>>> *Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. >>>> 15 (map <https://goo.gl/maps/ycyfawsEqEYzu3wG9>) -- please come, and please >>>> recruit others * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Dear New Mexico friends – * >>>> As we have explained in previous letters >>>> <http://www.lasg.org/letters/letters.html>, Wednesday is the day on >>>> which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the >>>> former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as >>>> well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security >>>> Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos >>>> National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, >>>> as tenant(s). >>>> >>>> The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber >>>> has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous >>>> social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear >>>> weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL >>>> is and what this would be.) >>>> >>>> People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and >>>> corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers. >>>> >>>> If you live *anywhere* nearby please come to this joint press >>>> conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer >>>> attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of >>>> work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely >>>> unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who >>>> know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some >>>> spine from us out here to take to their bosses. >>>> >>>> New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and >>>> sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area. >>>> >>>> We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision >>>> by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day. >>>> >>>> While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," >>>> we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want >>>> that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just >>>> don't know. >>>> >>>> This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other >>>> and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to >>>> any City officials willing to do so. >>>> >>>> *Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are >>>> recommending right now. 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Certainty may or may not come later. It >>> may then be a valuable delusion." >>> From "Notes to myself on beginning a painting" by Richard Diebenkorn. >>> >>> "It's that knife-edge of uncertainty where we come alive to our truest >>> power." 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