Agreed but I think Netanyahu is l more likely to nuke Iran than Trump is likely to* get away with* attacking anyone.
----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 8:08 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't trust any government, especially ours at the present moment, to > have any moral compass. > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:03 AM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ... Do you trust >> them to be as moral as you are? >> >> I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians. When I >> awoke I learned that they were hacking into Burisma. >> >> ----------------------------------- >> Frank Wimberly >> >> My memoir: >> https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly >> >> My scientific publications: >> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 >> >> Phone (505) 670-9918 >> >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 7:43 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry, George. There's a bigger picture here. I went to CNLS because I >>> could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, >>> and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more). >>> But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building >>> parts for new nuclear weapons. >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <gtdun...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. >>>> Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would >>>> find quite laudable. And many in its technical staff are our neighbors. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> < There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL >>>>> specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. > >>>>> >>>>> I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, >>>>> administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national >>>>> work. It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of >>>>> them live in Santa Fe. Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the >>>>> federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, >>>>> etc. >>>>> >>>>> Marcus >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff < >>>>> merlelefk...@gmail.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM >>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>>>> friam@redfish.com> >>>>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 >>>>> outside SF City Hall; bring friends >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: *Leslie Lakind* <leftielak...@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM >>>>> Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; >>>>> bring friends >>>>> To: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: *Greg Mello* <gme...@lasg.org> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Permalink <http://www.lasg.org/letters/2020/nm_12Jan2020.html> for >>>>> this letter. *Please forward! *Other Letters >>>>> <http://www.lasg.org/letters/letters.html> >>>>> Home page <http://lasg.org/index.htm>; Press Releases >>>>> <http://www.lasg.org/press/PressReleases.html>; Bulletins >>>>> <http://www.lasg.org/ActionAlerts/action.htm>; >>>>> To subscribe to our Friends listserve (formerly by invitation only) send >>>>> a blank email here. <lasg_friends-subscr...@lists.riseup.net> To >>>>> unsubscribe send a blank email here. >>>>> <lasg_friends-unsubscr...@lists.riseup.net> >>>>> To subscribe to our Main listserve (less content, less frequent) send >>>>> a blank email here. <lasg-subscr...@lists.riseup.net> To unsubscribe send >>>>> a blank email here. <lasg-unsubscr...@lists.riseup.net> >>>>> Our blog (makeover coming!): *Remember your Humanity >>>>> <http://lasg.org/wordpress/>. *Twitter: @TrishABQ >>>>> <https://twitter.com/#%21/TrishABQ>. >>>>> Contribute. <http://www.lasg.org/contribute.htm> Volunteer. Contact >>>>> us (Greg and Trish in our main office >>>>> <http://www.lasg.org/contact.htm>, Lydia Clark in our Santa Fe office >>>>> <clark4...@msn.com>) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *This letter: * >>>>> *Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. >>>>> 15 (map <https://goo.gl/maps/ycyfawsEqEYzu3wG9>) -- please come, and >>>>> please >>>>> recruit others * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Dear New Mexico friends – * >>>>> As we have explained in previous letters >>>>> <http://www.lasg.org/letters/letters.html>, Wednesday is the day on >>>>> which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the >>>>> former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as >>>>> well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security >>>>> Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos >>>>> National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, >>>>> as tenant(s). >>>>> >>>>> The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber >>>>> has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous >>>>> social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear >>>>> weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what >>>>> LANL >>>>> is and what this would be.) >>>>> >>>>> People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and >>>>> corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers. >>>>> >>>>> If you live *anywhere* nearby please come to this joint press >>>>> conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer >>>>> attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours >>>>> of >>>>> work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely >>>>> unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who >>>>> know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some >>>>> spine from us out here to take to their bosses. >>>>> >>>>> New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and >>>>> sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area. >>>>> >>>>> We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision >>>>> by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day. >>>>> >>>>> While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master >>>>> developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him >>>>> wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium >>>>> workers. We just don't know. >>>>> >>>>> This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each >>>>> other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as >>>>> speak to any City officials willing to do so. >>>>> >>>>> *Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are >>>>> recommending right now. 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