Glen, Setting is absolutely key. A guide is a definite plus.
Hallucinogen use in cultures that incorporate same, is deeply contextualized in ritual. And it is the ritual that ensures "common" and "repeatable" experience. A visit to the Church of the Vegetal (not their actual name, but anyone in the city could find them by that) in Santa Fe embeds Ayuasca use in a four-six hour ritualistic context — as does any of the myriad places here in NL where you can experience the drug. I do think that ritual more or less equals the protocol you talk about; and understanding the experience is a function of the protocol. One of the issues I want to bring up with researchers at CSPR, is the effect/bias/misinterpretation of results when the drugs are taken in a clinical setting instead of the ritualized context that, I think, is essential to understanding the experience. I don't proselytize, but I have on numerous occasions guided, at their behest, others in "tripping." I do know how to ensure that the experience will fall within certain parameters, even though ultimately determined by individual differences. The conversation with Brigham was a one off, and came about without prior planning. My multiple conversations with Hui Neng (6th Patriarch of Zen/Chan Buddhism) have been sufficiently repeatable that I have come to regard him as my personal guru. I have been watching tourists come into Kokopelli's — a cool head shop in Amsterdam with a lounge area for users of mushrooms (truffles actually) and grass. Those experiencing "bad" trips and/or physical distress are those who are in it for the high and who have little experience. Exactly what you predicted. davew On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, at 3:54 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > A search for neurotic in my copy of the DSM V turned up a lot of > mentions as a "risk factor". But is there a diagnosis? As I understand > it, they tend to treat everything as a continuum and you only get > diagnosed if the tendency/trait is bad enough to interfere with regular > activities ... you know the things normies do. So, you may be a heavy > drinker, but you're not diagnosed with a dependency until you start > missing work or black out or somesuch. > > My guess would be the *setting* in which one takes a high dose of a > psychedelic would strongly regulate the impact of neurotic tendencies > on one's trip. Since I get very antsy in crowds, I'd never load up on > shrooms or acid and go to a rave or somesuch. But if I had a "guide" > help me do it in a calm, low density, environment, I'd be all over it. > The thing that worries me is that my highs always involve lots of work > ... running, intense concentration, etc. ... more akin to > Csikszentmihalyi's flow maybe ... I'm not puritanical like Nick. But I > worry about succumbing to "cheap thrills". My friends from across the > pond are appalled by my advocacy of hand guns. >8^D But at least one of > them agrees with me. The difference being that in the US, any idiot can > walk into a Walmart and buy one, whereas he had to train and be > certified (somewhat) competent before he could take one home with him. > Drugs are like guns ... or should be, anyway. The point being that the > correlation between neuroticism and bad trips mentioned in the article > *might* simply be the too easily accessed high. The "work for it" part > can take the place of (or is in the same category as) the *ritual* that > helps regulate us. So, neurotics might be the most capable of efficient > use of psychedelics. > > On 3/9/20 2:34 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Ah. Neuroticism is something like a tendency to be neurotic. Neurotic is > > actually a good diagnosis in psychoanalytic therapy. It means you're > > treatable. Also it's essentially universal so it's a question of degree. > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
