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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:51 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > $75?! The Kindle edition of my memoir was only 4.99 before I unpublished > it. > > This isn't what you asked for but it supports my claim that all > pathological(!) narcissism has a common dynamic structure. It only 3+ > minutes long and it's free. > > https://youtu.be/DlopY4DfFV4 > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:39 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have not read Kernberg's "Borderline Conditions and Pathological >> Narcissism". The kindle copy seems to be $75, which is out of my price >> range for almost any book. If the libraries open up soon, I can probably >> get my hands on a copy. >> >> Regardless, I *do*, right now, have access to almost every scientific >> journal article. Add that to the tendency of journal articles to include >> more data, and more easily analyzable data, and a broad time span, I much >> prefer articles to books, anyway. With articles, I can track how hypotheses >> about underlying mechanisms seem to be different from, say, 1975 to today. >> The DSM 5's "alternative" section is very helpful for that, as well. And >> I'm sure some books do it. But it's not that dynamic. The book had to be >> published at some point. Even with editions, it's a lot of work to publish >> a new edition. Add to all that that articles can be more obviously >> peer-reviewed. I can complain about peer review as well as the next yahoo. >> But it's still something to consider. >> >> So, if you know of any (relatively new ... say, > 2000) articles that >> argue for vulnerable and grandiose narcissism being 2 phenotypes of the >> same generators, then please send them along. If you don't have any >> relatively modern *data* arguing for your position, then I'd claim you're >> speaking with unjustified authority and may want to soften your language a >> bit. ... maybe just for talking to jerks like me, at least. 8^) >> >> As for Trump, I've *already* said that his narcissism interferes with his >> competence. I said that explicitly. I've even said it more than once. But >> it seems irrelevant to how we compensate for the situation we're in. I >> don't think I said *independent*. I'm sorry if I did. Irrelevant and >> independent are different. My point was to find something we can *act* on. >> And I don't think we can act on his narcissism. But we can act on his >> incompetence. >> >> >> On 4/29/20 12:21 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >> > Have you read Kernberg? I would do that first and I would claim that >> he should dominate me and the others with respect to his/their/my >> credibility. My knowledge, such as it is, comes from informal >> conversations with senior psychoanalysts in Pittsburgh. Ragins, Schachter, >> Ratey, McLaughlin, et al. And my wife who is not a senior analyst but was >> a student of all those. She is reticent to talk about these issues but >> clearly knows more than I do. >> > >> > Do you still deny that Trump's narcissism interferes with his ability >> to be president? You seem to think it's independent of his incompetence. >> I don't think so. >> >> >> -- >> ☣ uǝlƃ >> >> .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... >> .... . ... >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> >> http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> > > > -- > Frank Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > 505 670-9918 > -- Frank Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918
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