Well, to be clear, the journal articles I've seen *indicate* that the grandiose one's don't suffer much. I wouldn't know one way or another. I'm just going off what I read in the articles.
And I apologize in advance, but without *some* evidence in support of what you're saying, it's impossible for me to incorporate. The question I'm asking is: Are they the same people just presenting differently? Or are they really 2 different types of person? I'm seriously asking that. And as I (and Steve) have mentioned, it's reasonable to HYPOTHESIZE that there are 2 modes, or some kind of self-presentation mechanism menu from which the narcissist chooses. So I really am asking the question. You're not asking that question. You're *answering* that question without providing any evidence to justify your answer. I appreciate the conversation a lot. But it's the evidence (and the structure/type of that evidence) that I care about. If you don't provide any evidence to back up your opinions, I'm at a loss. And, also to be clear, a book from 1975 won't be very good evidence for or against a distinction that seems to have been made in the literature in 1991. I'd love to find a critical "debunking" of the type distinction. That's what I'm looking for. But all I see are confirmations of the 2 types. On 4/29/20 2:09 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > By the way, you say > > ...that grandiose narcissists *don't* suffer much, but the vulnerable > narcissists *do*... > > Grandiosity is a defense against vulnerability in these people. They're the > same people. > > I find Kernberg to be more masterful and credible that Yeomans. Of course, > the former is the teacher of the latter. > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:59 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Here, Yeomans refers to what I started this thread with, he thinks > narcissists suffer a lot, enslaved in an isolation. But the research I've > seen in journals indicate that grandiose narcissists *don't* suffer much, but > the vulnerable narcissists *do*. This is directly inferrable from the > *alternative* model of NPD in the DSM 5. And it's reflected to some extent in > pretty much any paper you get from a google scholar search. -- ☣ uǝlƃ .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... .... . ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
