This endless parsing of the data strikes me as too difficult to accurately assess.

A simpler approach might be to compare overall death rates from a comparable period, tentatively attributing at least a large part of the numerical differences to the main changed variable: COVID-19.



On 5/6/20 8:44 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

I think that is a little pessimistic.   If you look at, say, the UK Biobank, they have interviews with each subject characterizing things like work history, cognitive function, mental health, noise pollution and so on.    But they also have details on mortality and genomic sequences.

*From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
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When we have comprehensive data — say a year from now — there will be hundreds of unexplained anomalies. All of the models and all of the formulas will be made more and more complex to try to account for those anomalies, the epidemiological and statistical equivalent of astronomical epicycles.

And no one will look at variations in individual and group (10-100 individuals) behavior and how they differ as a "function" of culture. And they will thereby miss the "explanation" for those anomalies.

No grocery store in the Utah counties of Kane and Garfield, had had empty toilet paper, flour, or sanitizer shelves. Not fully stocked, absent the usual variety, but never empty. A statistical / economic / "scientific" study of these two counties and any other two counties in the US with similar populations and population density/distributions will never reveal the "reason" for this phenomenon. A cultural investigation will expose the "reason" almost immediately.

I predict similar anomalies with regard spread of the disease and most importantly variations in death rates among those infected. And, the "reason" will again be cultural/behavioral.

davew

On Wed, May 6, 2020, at 3:49 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Doesn’t doubling time handle that problem?

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    Nicholas Thompson

    Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

    Clark University

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    https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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    Smith

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    State? - The New York Times

    On 5/6/20 1:54 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

        My  brother lives in Dahlonega, Lumpkin County, Georgia.  The
        map Georgia map surprises me Atlanta is not a hotspot. 
        Atlanta dominates the population of the State.  Southwest
        Georgia has a much higher concentration.  Georgia, unlike
        Pennsylvania, has a large population of rural African Americans.

    This just underscores how hard it is to make sense out of absolute
    numbers, or more to the point, numerators without denominators.   
    At least some of the charts of absolute numbers (as long as they
    are not renormalized from situation to situation) provide a visual
    estimation of "slope".

        On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 1:43 PM Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org
        <mailto:r...@elf.org>> wrote:

                Hall County is a county located in the north central
                portion of the U.S. state of Georgia. As of the 2010
                census, the population was 179,684. The county seat is
                Gainesville.

            
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/
 provides
            maps of deaths and cases per county, raw numbers and per
            100000 population.

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            On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:18 PM uǝlƃ ☣
            <geprope...@gmail.com <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                Hall: 20,441

                DeKalb: 759,297

                On 5/6/20 12:08 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com
                <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote:

                > Glen, those Hall/King comparisons are pretty
                dramatic.  Go Kemp! What is the population of the two
                counties?

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