Death is a pretty unambiguous indicator, and there are standard codes found in electronic health records.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICD-10 From: Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 9:22 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What Is the Real Coronavirus Toll in Each State? - The New York Times Statistics + pathogenesis would be ideal but the latter is still not fully understood? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, May 6, 2020, 10:16 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: If there was ever a time statistical inference could work, it is when there are millions of infected people, hundreds of thousands of deaths, and a database that tracks biological and behavioral things about them. From: Friam <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Joe Spinden <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 8:02 PM To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What Is the Real Coronavirus Toll in Each State? - The New York Times This endless parsing of the data strikes me as too difficult to accurately assess. A simpler approach might be to compare overall death rates from a comparable period, tentatively attributing at least a large part of the numerical differences to the main changed variable: COVID-19. On 5/6/20 8:44 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I think that is a little pessimistic. If you look at, say, the UK Biobank, they have interviews with each subject characterizing things like work history, cognitive function, mental health, noise pollution and so on. But they also have details on mortality and genomic sequences. From: Friam <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Prof David West <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 7:40 PM To: "[email protected]"<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What Is the Real Coronavirus Toll in Each State? - The New York Times When we have comprehensive data — say a year from now — there will be hundreds of unexplained anomalies. All of the models and all of the formulas will be made more and more complex to try to account for those anomalies, the epidemiological and statistical equivalent of astronomical epicycles. And no one will look at variations in individual and group (10-100 individuals) behavior and how they differ as a "function" of culture. And they will thereby miss the "explanation" for those anomalies. No grocery store in the Utah counties of Kane and Garfield, had had empty toilet paper, flour, or sanitizer shelves. Not fully stocked, absent the usual variety, but never empty. A statistical / economic / "scientific" study of these two counties and any other two counties in the US with similar populations and population density/distributions will never reveal the "reason" for this phenomenon. A cultural investigation will expose the "reason" almost immediately. I predict similar anomalies with regard spread of the disease and most importantly variations in death rates among those infected. And, the "reason" will again be cultural/behavioral. davew On Wed, May 6, 2020, at 3:49 PM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Doesn’t doubling time handle that problem? N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:00 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What Is the Real Coronavirus Toll in Each State? - The New York Times On 5/6/20 1:54 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: My brother lives in Dahlonega, Lumpkin County, Georgia. The map Georgia map surprises me Atlanta is not a hotspot. Atlanta dominates the population of the State. Southwest Georgia has a much higher concentration. Georgia, unlike Pennsylvania, has a large population of rural African Americans. This just underscores how hard it is to make sense out of absolute numbers, or more to the point, numerators without denominators. At least some of the charts of absolute numbers (as long as they are not renormalized from situation to situation) provide a visual estimation of "slope". On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 1:43 PM Roger Critchlow <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hall County is a county located in the north central portion of the U.S. state of Georgia. As of the 2010 census, the population was 179,684. The county seat is Gainesville. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/ provides maps of deaths and cases per county, raw numbers and per 100000 population. -- rec -- On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:18 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hall: 20,441 DeKalb: 759,297 On 5/6/20 12:08 PM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > Glen, those Hall/King comparisons are pretty dramatic. Go Kemp! 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