Carl Tollander wrote: > -9,-8.1 > But I do think it would depend a bit on the day. > Oddly, never thought of myself as a libertarian.
I think some pretty strong *Fascists* co-opted the term "Libertarian" for themselves. My experience with the *L*ibertarian self-identified is they seem to lean toward a virulent extremist willingness to *assert their will* on others under the guise of protecting *their will from subversion* . When I was younger (more juiced on the hormones and rhetoric and appeal of competition?) I was more seduced by some of that. Now it just makes me feel systemically ill. I don't know you well Carl, but from what I do think I know, you are clearly *very* independent and *very* considerate of others and their personal freedoms. That sounds pretty *l*ibertarian to me FWIW. - Steve > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > There is another aspect of staying behind which puts more weight > on maintaining local (e.g. family and childhood) relationships. > I don’t think this inclination is overtly authoritarian. > However, a strong desire to maintain a social fabric could lead to > policing mechanisms for them, and that brings in (say) the > church. When a social network is more important than having any > sort of purpose, weird things happen. Wired has an article on > some crazies up in Forks, Washington that is worth a skim. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *David Eric Smith > *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2020 7:35 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest > > > > So this is metastasizing now, and there have been other decades > when it wasn’t such a problem, or at least not as overt. > > > > Is that due to demographic sorting? In more prosperous (or even > just earlier) times, enough people stayed near where they were > born that cultures got some mix of preferences, and you didn’t > have whole regions “submitting too much to the authorities in > their lives”. But when those who wanted out could get out, and > did so systematically, the ones who stayed behind could create a > tailored paradise for the preferences that had caused them to stay > behind? > > > > On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Roger Critchlow <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/12/trump-voter-authoritarian-research/ > > > > -- rec -- > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:27 AM Marcus Daniels > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > There’s a page on the 2020 election where they claim, > among other strange things, that Warren is a right-leaning > authoritarian. If that is true, which I doubt, it says > to me politicians are mirroring the electorate in a very > obscure way. And I am pretty sure I am not far to the > left of Bernie Sanders. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Stephen > Guerin > *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 8:39 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest > > > > ec=-5.75 & soc=-6.3 > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 9:18 PM <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I’m more of a libertarian than Dave is? Something > MUST be wrong, here. > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,U3OccPSjskXK4svW9X1qk3Vv7E5UwkKy9mLBuwBfoPfJKYxJ6aCBK0PVs7udT_TYGhprp1R603GJlx6xKqM35rw3C-x7J0zwGZ6_tMf3hqMPHZB64xRxPw,,&typo=1> > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of > *Prof David West > *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 6:39 PM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest > > > > Econ left/right: -0.88 > > Social Lib/Auth: -6.1 > > > > davew > > NOT a Libertarian > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, at 5:56 > PM, [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > Do we all agree at an insanely high level? Then > wtf have we been arguing about all these years. > Let’s wait until Glen and Dave take the test > before we bury all our hatchets. > > > > n > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,jI9pg2_C34oOCpyabOwNVYM7KJGCPx7H3EupAcE2q9TK2V75UO7IrMX_UOS1TIZ0puSAcbRFu09JGz8yK4gzt6DIJCqNtiA3EEOMsqYT64DoqXJS7TM,&typo=1> > > > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of > *Gary Schiltz > > *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 5:29 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee > Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest > > > > I was pretty much dead center in the lower left > quadrant, which was surprising to me. I would have > thought I would be in the middle of the whole graph. > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:52 PM George Duncan > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Jon, I took it. I'm barely left on economics > and strongly libertarian on social issues > > > > George Duncan > > Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie > Mellon University > > georgeduncanart.com > > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fgeorgeduncanart.com%2f&c=E,1,7A1nvLLwvbARh5EsbrcBP_x1ncqDWHW84o2ARPieWFtHxbGsgklMKBqeuNgbEd_czryT4FTxDDbM2mCDHXdJbmd_5-i0Yf4oVpAGGN27uHZ8&typo=1> > > See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram > > Land: (505) 983-6895 > > Mobile: (505) 469-4671 > > > > My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the > tension between matrix order and luminous chaos. > > > > "Attempt what is not certain. Certainty may or > may not come later. 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