Carl is very Japanese and master of Drum Zen. davew
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, at 8:50 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > Carl - > Acknowledged. The foreground/background thing is always tricky. I don't > mean to attribute any reality to "personal freedoms", yet somehow "not being > an ass" is something *like* respecting others "personal freedoms", even > though such are in some sense an illusion. Perhaps someone can articulate > this better than I have? > > - Steve >> Steve, >> >> You assume I have some fealty to the notion of "personal freedoms". >> Perhaps that is unwarranted. I just see no reason to be an ass. >> >>> >>I don't know you well Carl, but from what I do think I know, you are >>> >>clearly *very* independent and *very* considerate of others and their >>> >>personal freedoms. That sounds pretty *l*ibertarian to me FWIW. >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:18 AM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Carl Tollander wrote: >>> >>>> -9,-8.1 >>>> But I do think it would depend a bit on the day. >>>> Oddly, never thought of myself as a libertarian. >>> I think some pretty strong *Fascists* co-opted the term "Libertarian" for >>> themselves. My experience with the *L*ibertarian self-identified is they >>> seem to lean toward a virulent extremist willingness to *assert their will* >>> on others under the guise of protecting *their will from subversion* . >>> When I was younger (more juiced on the hormones and rhetoric and appeal of >>> competition?) I was more seduced by some of that. Now it just makes me >>> feel systemically ill. >>> I don't know you well Carl, but from what I do think I know, you are >>> clearly *very* independent and *very* considerate of others and their >>> personal freedoms. That sounds pretty *l*ibertarian to me FWIW. >>> - Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> There is another aspect of staying behind which puts more weight on >>>>> maintaining local (e.g. family and childhood) relationships. I don’t >>>>> think this inclination is overtly authoritarian. However, a strong >>>>> desire to maintain a social fabric could lead to policing mechanisms for >>>>> them, and that brings in (say) the church. When a social network is more >>>>> important than having any sort of purpose, weird things happen. Wired >>>>> has an article on some crazies up in Forks, Washington that is worth a >>>>> skim. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *David Eric Smith >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2020 7:35 AM >>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest >>>>> >>>>> So this is metastasizing now, and there have been other decades when it >>>>> wasn’t such a problem, or at least not as overt. >>>>> >>>>> Is that due to demographic sorting? In more prosperous (or even just >>>>> earlier) times, enough people stayed near where they were born that >>>>> cultures got some mix of preferences, and you didn’t have whole regions >>>>> “submitting too much to the authorities in their lives”. But when those >>>>> who wanted out could get out, and did so systematically, the ones who >>>>> stayed behind could create a tailored paradise for the preferences that >>>>> had caused them to stay behind? >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Roger Critchlow <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/12/trump-voter-authoritarian-research/ >>>>>> >>>>>> -- rec -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:27 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> There’s a page on the 2020 election where they claim, among other >>>>>>> strange things, that Warren is a right-leaning authoritarian. If that >>>>>>> is true, which I doubt, it says to me politicians are mirroring the >>>>>>> electorate in a very obscure way. And I am pretty sure I am not far >>>>>>> to the left of Bernie Sanders. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Guerin >>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 8:39 PM >>>>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ec=-5.75 & soc=-6.3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 9:18 PM <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> I’m more of a libertarian than Dave is? Something MUST be wrong, here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nicholas Thompson >>>>>>>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >>>>>>>> Clark University >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >>>>>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,U3OccPSjskXK4svW9X1qk3Vv7E5UwkKy9mLBuwBfoPfJKYxJ6aCBK0PVs7udT_TYGhprp1R603GJlx6xKqM35rw3C-x7J0zwGZ6_tMf3hqMPHZB64xRxPw,,&typo=1> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Prof David >>>>>>>> West >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 6:39 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Econ left/right: -0.88 >>>>>>>> Social Lib/Auth: -6.1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> davew >>>>>>>> NOT a Libertarian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, at 5:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>> Do we all agree at an insanely high level? Then wtf have we been >>>>>>>>> arguing about all these years. Let’s wait until Glen and Dave take >>>>>>>>> the test before we bury all our hatchets. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> n >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nicholas Thompson >>>>>>>>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >>>>>>>>> Clark University >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >>>>>>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,jI9pg2_C34oOCpyabOwNVYM7KJGCPx7H3EupAcE2q9TK2V75UO7IrMX_UOS1TIZ0puSAcbRFu09JGz8yK4gzt6DIJCqNtiA3EEOMsqYT64DoqXJS7TM,&typo=1> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Gary Schiltz >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 5:29 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was pretty much dead center in the lower left quadrant, which was >>>>>>>>> surprising to me. I would have thought I would be in the middle of >>>>>>>>> the whole graph. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:52 PM George Duncan <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Jon, I took it. I'm barely left on economics and strongly >>>>>>>>>> libertarian on social issues >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> George Duncan >>>>>>>>>> Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University >>>>>>>>>> georgeduncanart.com >>>>>>>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fgeorgeduncanart.com%2f&c=E,1,7A1nvLLwvbARh5EsbrcBP_x1ncqDWHW84o2ARPieWFtHxbGsgklMKBqeuNgbEd_czryT4FTxDDbM2mCDHXdJbmd_5-i0Yf4oVpAGGN27uHZ8&typo=1> >>>>>>>>>> See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram >>>>>>>>>> Land: (505) 983-6895 >>>>>>>>>> Mobile: (505) 469-4671 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order >>>>>>>>>> and luminous chaos. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Attempt what is not certain. 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