Steve, You assume I have some fealty to the notion of "personal freedoms". Perhaps that is unwarranted. I just see no reason to be an ass.
>>I don't know you well Carl, but from what I do think I know, you are clearly *very* independent and *very* considerate of others and their personal freedoms. That sounds pretty *l*ibertarian to me FWIW. On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:18 AM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > Carl Tollander wrote: > > -9,-8.1 > But I do think it would depend a bit on the day. > Oddly, never thought of myself as a libertarian. > > I think some pretty strong *Fascists* co-opted the term "Libertarian" for > themselves. My experience with the *L*ibertarian self-identified is they > seem to lean toward a virulent extremist willingness to *assert their will* > on others under the guise of protecting *their will from subversion* . > When I was younger (more juiced on the hormones and rhetoric and appeal of > competition?) I was more seduced by some of that. Now it just makes me > feel systemically ill. > > I don't know you well Carl, but from what I do think I know, you are > clearly *very* independent and *very* considerate of others and their > personal freedoms. That sounds pretty *l*ibertarian to me FWIW. > > - Steve > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> There is another aspect of staying behind which puts more weight on >> maintaining local (e.g. family and childhood) relationships. I don’t >> think this inclination is overtly authoritarian. However, a strong desire >> to maintain a social fabric could lead to policing mechanisms for them, and >> that brings in (say) the church. When a social network is more important >> than having any sort of purpose, weird things happen. Wired has an >> article on some crazies up in Forks, Washington that is worth a skim. >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *David Eric Smith >> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2020 7:35 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest >> >> >> >> So this is metastasizing now, and there have been other decades when it >> wasn’t such a problem, or at least not as overt. >> >> >> >> Is that due to demographic sorting? In more prosperous (or even just >> earlier) times, enough people stayed near where they were born that >> cultures got some mix of preferences, and you didn’t have whole regions >> “submitting too much to the authorities in their lives”. But when those >> who wanted out could get out, and did so systematically, the ones who >> stayed behind could create a tailored paradise for the preferences that had >> caused them to stay behind? >> >> >> >> On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Roger Critchlow <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/12/trump-voter-authoritarian-research/ >> >> >> >> -- rec -- >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:27 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> There’s a page on the 2020 election where they claim, among other strange >> things, that Warren is a right-leaning authoritarian. If that is true, >> which I doubt, it says to me politicians are mirroring the electorate in a >> very obscure way. And I am pretty sure I am not far to the left of Bernie >> Sanders. >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Guerin >> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 8:39 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest >> >> >> >> ec=-5.75 & soc=-6.3 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 9:18 PM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I’m more of a libertarian than Dave is? Something MUST be wrong, here. >> >> >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> >> Clark University >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,U3OccPSjskXK4svW9X1qk3Vv7E5UwkKy9mLBuwBfoPfJKYxJ6aCBK0PVs7udT_TYGhprp1R603GJlx6xKqM35rw3C-x7J0zwGZ6_tMf3hqMPHZB64xRxPw,,&typo=1> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West >> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 6:39 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest >> >> >> >> Econ left/right: -0.88 >> >> Social Lib/Auth: -6.1 >> >> >> >> davew >> >> NOT a Libertarian >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, at 5:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Do we all agree at an insanely high level? Then wtf have we been arguing >> about all these years. Let’s wait until Glen and Dave take the test before >> we bury all our hatchets. >> >> >> >> n >> >> >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> >> Clark University >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,jI9pg2_C34oOCpyabOwNVYM7KJGCPx7H3EupAcE2q9TK2V75UO7IrMX_UOS1TIZ0puSAcbRFu09JGz8yK4gzt6DIJCqNtiA3EEOMsqYT64DoqXJS7TM,&typo=1> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Gary Schiltz >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 5:29 PM >> >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest >> >> >> >> I was pretty much dead center in the lower left quadrant, which was >> surprising to me. I would have thought I would be in the middle of the >> whole graph. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:52 PM George Duncan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Jon, I took it. I'm barely left on economics and strongly libertarian on >> social issues >> >> >> >> George Duncan >> >> Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University >> >> georgeduncanart.com >> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fgeorgeduncanart.com%2f&c=E,1,7A1nvLLwvbARh5EsbrcBP_x1ncqDWHW84o2ARPieWFtHxbGsgklMKBqeuNgbEd_czryT4FTxDDbM2mCDHXdJbmd_5-i0Yf4oVpAGGN27uHZ8&typo=1> >> >> See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram >> >> Land: (505) 983-6895 >> >> Mobile: (505) 469-4671 >> >> >> >> My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order and >> luminous chaos. >> >> >> >> "Attempt what is not certain. Certainty may or may not come later. 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