There's no "only way" brother dear. On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:15 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
> No, I still disagree. IFF thinking holistically is the only way to think > rightly, THEN thinking holistically is the only logical way to think. > > > > But we are about to be bickering over definitions, rather than clarifying > meanings. So long as you know that there is normative dimension in how I > understand “logic”, and I know that for you, there isn’t, that in your > usage there is truth-seeking argument that is not logical, then we probably > will bore other people if we go on arguing. > > > > But I love you like a brother, > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff > *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2021 12:55 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] it's world logic day! > > > > No, Nick. Thinking logically is just not thinking holistically, it misses > the whole enchilada, and one of the reasons we're doomed--clumsy, but the > best I have time to come up with now. > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:24 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > > Merle, > > > > I think the objection you have to logic flows from the misunderstanding of > what logic is. If you define logic is thinking that leads to truth, then > any thinking that leads to truth is logical, and the project of Logic > Studies is the project of finding out what sorts of thinking lead that > way. So, I would re-interpret your objection to be that logic, as we know > it, is so constrained as to be dangerous and misleading. I don’t want us > to give up on truth-seeking – as the pragmatists understood truth. [Glen, > I stipulate your objections.] > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff > *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2021 11:00 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] it's world logic day! > > > > I find this celebration very disturbing and even dangerous at a time when > some are beginning to realize that logic alone is bereft of the complexity > of all the ways of being in a more-than-human world. > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:32 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks, Glen, > > > > It’s nice to know that logic is being celebrated. Still – surprise!—I > have a correction. > > > > Logic ... [is] the principles of [right] reasoning, > > > > Funny how, this article, a celebration of logic, buggers the definition of > logic, leaving out it’s ethical dimension. Well, unless one believes that > specious or fallacious logic is “logical”, logic is “good” thought, i.e. > thought that leads probably to the truth. > > > > Nick > > > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of EthologTy and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 9:48 AM > To: FriAM <[email protected]> > Subject: [FRIAM] it's world logic day! > > > > https://en.unesco.org/commemorations/worldlogicday > > > > > > > > > The ability to think is one of the most defining features of humankind. > In different cultures, the definition of humanity is associated with > concepts such as consciousness, knowledge and reason. According to the > classic western tradition, human beings are defined as “rational” or > “logical animals”. Logic, as the investigation on the principles of > reasoning, has been studied by many civilizations throughout history and, > since its earliest formulations, logic has played an important role in the > development of philosophy and the sciences. > > > > > > Despite its undeniable relevance to the development of knowledge, > sciences and technologies, there is little public awareness on the > importance of logic. The proclamation of World Logic Day by UNESCO, in > association with the International Council for Philosophy and Human > Sciences (CIPSH), intends to bring the intellectual history, conceptual > significance and practical implications of logic to the attention of > interdisciplinary science communities and the broader public. > > > > > > A dynamic and global annual celebration of World Logic Day aims at > fostering international cooperation, promoting the development of logic, in > both research and teaching, supporting the activities of associations, > universities and other institutions involved with logic, and enhancing > public understanding of logic and its implications for science, technology > and innovation. Furthermore, the celebration of World Logic Day can also > contribute to the promotion of a culture of peace, dialogue and mutual > understanding, based on the advancement of education and science. > > > > > > > > -- > > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > > > -- > > Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. > Center for Emergent Diplomacy > emergentdiplomacy.org > > Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA > > > mobile: (303) 859-5609 > skype: merle.lelfkoff2 > > twitter: @merle110 > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > > > -- > > Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. > Center for Emergent Diplomacy > emergentdiplomacy.org > > Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA > > > mobile: (303) 859-5609 > skype: merle.lelfkoff2 > > twitter: @merle110 > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > -- Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. Center for Emergent Diplomacy emergentdiplomacy.org Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA mobile: (303) 859-5609 skype: merle.lelfkoff2 twitter: @merle110
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