Gary, I sent this to Nick offlist. I think we're on the same page.
" Who is the American logician you cite? My opinion is that that formal logic is an axiomatic system and a part of pure mathematics. As such it has nothing to do with the world which is the subject of empirical science except that sometimes it can be a model of reasoning." --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:57 PM Gary Schiltz <[email protected]> wrote: > I would have thought that most members of FRIAM, when speaking of logic, > are referring to the mathematical and/or computational concept of > propositional logic, which has little if anything to do with a human > dimension. You know, modus ponens, modus tollens, etc. Logic in that sense > would exist even without the existence of biological beings (e.g. Homo > sapiens) that use it as a part (not the only part) of their thinking > process. But maybe I'm not grokking what y'all are talking about. > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 1:55 PM Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> No, Nick. Thinking logically is just not thinking holistically, it misses >> the whole enchilada, and one of the reasons we're doomed--clumsy, but the >> best I have time to come up with now. >> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:24 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Merle, >>> >>> >>> >>> I think the objection you have to logic flows from the misunderstanding >>> of what logic is. If you define logic is thinking that leads to truth, >>> then any thinking that leads to truth is logical, and the project of Logic >>> Studies is the project of finding out what sorts of thinking lead that >>> way. So, I would re-interpret your objection to be that logic, as we know >>> it, is so constrained as to be dangerous and misleading. I don’t want us >>> to give up on truth-seeking – as the pragmatists understood truth. [Glen, >>> I stipulate your objections.] >>> >>> >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> >>> >>> Nicholas Thompson >>> >>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >>> >>> Clark University >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2021 11:00 AM >>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] it's world logic day! >>> >>> >>> >>> I find this celebration very disturbing and even dangerous at a time >>> when some are beginning to realize that logic alone is bereft of the >>> complexity of all the ways of being in a more-than-human world. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:32 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, Glen, >>> >>> >>> >>> It’s nice to know that logic is being celebrated. Still – surprise!—I >>> have a correction. >>> >>> >>> >>> Logic ... [is] the principles of [right] reasoning, >>> >>> >>> >>> Funny how, this article, a celebration of logic, buggers the definition >>> of logic, leaving out it’s ethical dimension. Well, unless one believes >>> that specious or fallacious logic is “logical”, logic is “good” thought, >>> i.e. thought that leads probably to the truth. >>> >>> >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Nicholas Thompson >>> >>> Emeritus Professor of EthologTy and Psychology >>> >>> Clark University >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? >>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 9:48 AM >>> To: FriAM <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [FRIAM] it's world logic day! >>> >>> >>> >>> https://en.unesco.org/commemorations/worldlogicday >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > The ability to think is one of the most defining features of >>> humankind. In different cultures, the definition of humanity is associated >>> with concepts such as consciousness, knowledge and reason. According to the >>> classic western tradition, human beings are defined as “rational” or >>> “logical animals”. Logic, as the investigation on the principles of >>> reasoning, has been studied by many civilizations throughout history and, >>> since its earliest formulations, logic has played an important role in the >>> development of philosophy and the sciences. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Despite its undeniable relevance to the development of knowledge, >>> sciences and technologies, there is little public awareness on the >>> importance of logic. The proclamation of World Logic Day by UNESCO, in >>> association with the International Council for Philosophy and Human >>> Sciences (CIPSH), intends to bring the intellectual history, conceptual >>> significance and practical implications of logic to the attention of >>> interdisciplinary science communities and the broader public. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > A dynamic and global annual celebration of World Logic Day aims at >>> fostering international cooperation, promoting the development of logic, in >>> both research and teaching, supporting the activities of associations, >>> universities and other institutions involved with logic, and enhancing >>> public understanding of logic and its implications for science, technology >>> and innovation. Furthermore, the celebration of World Logic Day can also >>> contribute to the promotion of a culture of peace, dialogue and mutual >>> understanding, based on the advancement of education and science. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ >>> >>> >>> >>> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >>> >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe >>> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> >>> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>> >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >>> Center for Emergent Diplomacy >>> emergentdiplomacy.org >>> >>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >>> >>> >>> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >>> skype: merle.lelfkoff2 >>> >>> twitter: @merle110 >>> >>> >>> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> >> >> >> -- >> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >> Center for Emergent Diplomacy >> emergentdiplomacy.org >> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >> >> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >> skype: merle.lelfkoff2 >> twitter: @merle110 >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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