I would have thought that most members of FRIAM, when speaking of logic, are referring to the mathematical and/or computational concept of propositional logic, which has little if anything to do with a human dimension. You know, modus ponens, modus tollens, etc. Logic in that sense would exist even without the existence of biological beings (e.g. Homo sapiens) that use it as a part (not the only part) of their thinking process. But maybe I'm not grokking what y'all are talking about.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 1:55 PM Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]> wrote: > No, Nick. Thinking logically is just not thinking holistically, it misses > the whole enchilada, and one of the reasons we're doomed--clumsy, but the > best I have time to come up with now. > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:24 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Merle, >> >> >> >> I think the objection you have to logic flows from the misunderstanding >> of what logic is. If you define logic is thinking that leads to truth, >> then any thinking that leads to truth is logical, and the project of Logic >> Studies is the project of finding out what sorts of thinking lead that >> way. So, I would re-interpret your objection to be that logic, as we know >> it, is so constrained as to be dangerous and misleading. I don’t want us >> to give up on truth-seeking – as the pragmatists understood truth. [Glen, >> I stipulate your objections.] >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> >> Clark University >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2021 11:00 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] it's world logic day! >> >> >> >> I find this celebration very disturbing and even dangerous at a time when >> some are beginning to realize that logic alone is bereft of the complexity >> of all the ways of being in a more-than-human world. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:32 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks, Glen, >> >> >> >> It’s nice to know that logic is being celebrated. Still – surprise!—I >> have a correction. >> >> >> >> Logic ... [is] the principles of [right] reasoning, >> >> >> >> Funny how, this article, a celebration of logic, buggers the definition >> of logic, leaving out it’s ethical dimension. Well, unless one believes >> that specious or fallacious logic is “logical”, logic is “good” thought, >> i.e. thought that leads probably to the truth. >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of EthologTy and Psychology >> >> Clark University >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? >> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 9:48 AM >> To: FriAM <[email protected]> >> Subject: [FRIAM] it's world logic day! >> >> >> >> https://en.unesco.org/commemorations/worldlogicday >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The ability to think is one of the most defining features of humankind. >> In different cultures, the definition of humanity is associated with >> concepts such as consciousness, knowledge and reason. According to the >> classic western tradition, human beings are defined as “rational” or >> “logical animals”. Logic, as the investigation on the principles of >> reasoning, has been studied by many civilizations throughout history and, >> since its earliest formulations, logic has played an important role in the >> development of philosophy and the sciences. >> >> > >> >> > Despite its undeniable relevance to the development of knowledge, >> sciences and technologies, there is little public awareness on the >> importance of logic. The proclamation of World Logic Day by UNESCO, in >> association with the International Council for Philosophy and Human >> Sciences (CIPSH), intends to bring the intellectual history, conceptual >> significance and practical implications of logic to the attention of >> interdisciplinary science communities and the broader public. >> >> > >> >> > A dynamic and global annual celebration of World Logic Day aims at >> fostering international cooperation, promoting the development of logic, in >> both research and teaching, supporting the activities of associations, >> universities and other institutions involved with logic, and enhancing >> public understanding of logic and its implications for science, technology >> and innovation. Furthermore, the celebration of World Logic Day can also >> contribute to the promotion of a culture of peace, dialogue and mutual >> understanding, based on the advancement of education and science. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ >> >> >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >> Center for Emergent Diplomacy >> emergentdiplomacy.org >> >> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >> >> >> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >> skype: merle.lelfkoff2 >> >> twitter: @merle110 >> >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> > > > -- > Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. > Center for Emergent Diplomacy > emergentdiplomacy.org > Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA > > mobile: (303) 859-5609 > skype: merle.lelfkoff2 > twitter: @merle110 > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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