Nick, I'm not with you, what HAS to be wrong?
It's impossible to predict the future, anything could happen. I'm particularly attracted to the views of David Deutsch. I quote from his https://www.thebeginningofinfinity.com/ : " The resulting stream of ever-improving explanations has potentially infinite reach: we are subject only to the laws of physics, and they impose no upper limit to what we can eventually understand, control, and achieve. " Life on earth is good and is getting better and better for all of us. Sure, a disaster could strike, nothing is inevitable, but I can see no reason why the progress we have made HAS to stop. Why? On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 20:11, <[email protected]> wrote: > Pieter, > > > > That just HAS to be wrong. What am I missing, here? NOT a rhetorical > question. > > > > Does anybody know, in orders of magnitude, the relation between the > potential rooftop gain and the total energy needs of a place like Santa Fe? > > > > N > > > > Nick Thompson > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Pieter Steenekamp > *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:58 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum > > > > Yeah, just like we were seriously running out of stuff in 1980 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager > But of course, it's different this time around > > > > On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 19:41, Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Nick, I think we have an energy supply problem. We don't have enough > stuff left in the ground to dig up to supply our technology much longer at > a price anyone can afford. I have a colleague who has calculated that we > will run out of copper in three years, as just one example. My > understanding is that copper wire conducts most of our electricity. > > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:17 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > > Merle, and all, > > > > A naïve question: Do we have an energy supply problem or do we have an > energy distribution problem? For starters, let there be a solar collector > on the roof of every house in santa fe, roughly the area of the roof > (roofly the area of the rough?) . Assuming energy were entirely miscible, > what proportion of the total energy needs (except food, of course) of Santa > Feans would that generate. I assume hundreds of percents, right? > > > > N > > > > Nick Thompson > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff > *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:51 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum > > > > Almost, but not quite, Jochen. He doesn't know about embodied energy. A > motor car has an embodied energy contents of 20 800k kWh, while an electric > car's embodied energy amounts to 34 700 kWh. Perhaps if he knew this he > wouldn't be so optimistic. We are racing toward our doom. > > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 10:06 AM Jochen Fromm <[email protected]> wrote: > > Interesting IEEE podcast: an interview with Václav Smil, who wrote a book > about "Grand Transitions", similar to "The Major Transitions in > Evolution" from John Maynard Smith and Eörs Szathmáry > > > https://spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/geek-life/history/a-theory-of-almost-everything > > > > -J. > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > > > > -- > > Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. > Center for Emergent Diplomacy > emergentdiplomacy.org > > Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA > > > mobile: (303) 859-5609 > skype: merle.lelfkoff2 > > twitter: @merle110 > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > > > > -- > > Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. > Center for Emergent Diplomacy > emergentdiplomacy.org > > Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA > > > mobile: (303) 859-5609 > skype: merle.lelfkoff2 > > twitter: @merle110 > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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