Frank,
Mis sorted my email by mistake. What else. n Nick Thompson <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 11:58 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic I didn't notice the date. I thought it was newly posted. Why would it have appeared in my email? Maybe I did a search and saw Marcus's message by coincidence. At least my comment was brief. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 9:50 PM Gary Schiltz <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Maybe I missed something, but what prompted you to dig up a 16 month old comment from Marcus to respond to? On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 3:29 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Pollyanna! (ironic) --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> Santa Fe, NM 87505 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, May 16, 2020, 10:32 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Here’s what I expect will probably happen. The PANDEMIC will be declared over, like Mission Accomplished with W. There will be a slower burn until fall, and then it will accelerate again. But people will be acclimate to the death rate, like they acclimate to gun violence. Unemployment and homelessness will soar and be persistent. Suicides will go up, and be normalized. Meanwhile, people with the means will self-isolate and be the first to get access to antiviral treatments. Out in the blood and muck, herd immunity will begin to emerge in at risk populations. The U.S. will continue to have high prevalence compared to other countries. History will look back on this as a Chernobyl moment, where the prestige of the United States fell to Asia. And a second term of Trump will ensure it. From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > on behalf of Prof David West <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 8:25 AM To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> " <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic Steve, Yes the subject line is click-bait. In the body of the message I made a distinction between the disease pandemic and the perceived PANDEMIC. The latter will go away whether or not the disease does. The metrics for the latter would include increased traffic to websites like the Mathematica Individual COVID Risk calculator and less to WHO, CDC, and other overall statistical sites; a noticeable shift from personal interest stories about succuming to COVID to ones about succumbing to economic hardship; gaming floors in Las Vegas casinos opening with lots of assurance that gamblers are at no greater risk than when visiting a grocery store; stories about death rates moving from the front page to the second page or section; significant increase in lawsuits against restrictions with quick, probably out of court, capitulation by governor's; and the central theme of stories about the pandemic, what the science tells, us, whistleblowers, etc will be almost purely political in nature. Going beyond mid-June, I would predict that you will see "wave crests" in terms of cases and deaths, but not "spikes." They will be big enough for the "experts" to claim they are right, but not big enough to trigger any socio-economic response and most people will regard any reporting of same with cynicism. Any attempt to reimpose lock-downs would likely result in furious resistance and widespread civil disobedience. davew On Tue, May 12, 2020, at 7:13 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: Dave - The COVID-19 pandemic will end, at least in the US, by mid-June, 2020. Ignoring the "bait" that I (and others) took earlier, I'll try to respond to the singular prediction above: What means "end"? What is a specific statistic that you believe to indicate that the pandemic has ended? >From Wikipedia: A pandemic (from <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek> Greek πᾶν, pan, "all" and δῆμος, demos, "people") is an <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic> epidemic of <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease> disease that has spread across a large region, for instance multiple <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continents> continents or worldwide, affecting a substantial number of people. A widespread <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemic_(epidemiology)> endemic disease with a stable number of infected people is not a pandemic. Widespread endemic diseases with a stable number of infected people such as recurrences of <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_influenza> seasonal influenza are generally excluded as they occur simultaneously in large regions of the globe rather than being spread worldwide. The WHO published THIS description of phases of a pandemic: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143061/ In the post-pandemic period, influenza disease activity will have returned to levels normally seen for seasonal influenza. It is expected that the pandemic virus will behave as a seasonal influenza A virus. At this stage, it is important to maintain surveillance and update pandemic preparedness and response plans accordingly. An intensive phase of recovery and evaluation may be required. Or maybe some other (measurable) definition? - Steve .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... .... . ... 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