MailMate on the Mac. https://freron.com

—Barry

On 13 Sep 2021, at 10:31, Gary Schiltz wrote:

What email client and platform are you using?

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 8:37 AM Barry MacKichan <
[email protected]> wrote:

My email client keeps track of conversations, so if message A today is a reply to message B from a year ago, the top of my inbox shows message B with a disclosure triangle. Clicking it will show message B — the next part of the conversation. In Friam, almost every message gets responses, so
there a frequently many old messages at the top level of my inbox.

Hmm… This behavior is an option. I’ll go switch it off now…

—Barry

On 12 Sep 2021, at 23:57, Frank Wimberly wrote:

I didn't notice the date. I thought it was newly posted. Why would it have appeared in my email? Maybe I did a search and saw Marcus's message
by coincidence.  At least my comment was brief.

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On Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 9:50 PM Gary Schiltz <[email protected]>
wrote:

Maybe I missed something, but what prompted you to dig up a 16 month old
comment from Marcus to respond to?

On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 3:29 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]>
wrote:

Pollyanna!      (ironic)

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Santa Fe, NM 87505
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On Sat, May 16, 2020, 10:32 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]>
wrote:

Here’s what I expect will probably happen. The PANDEMIC will be declared over, like Mission Accomplished with W. There will be a slower burn until fall, and then it will accelerate again. But people will be
acclimate to the death rate, like they acclimate to gun violence.
Unemployment and homelessness will soar and be persistent. Suicides will
go up, and be normalized.   Meanwhile, people with the means will
self-isolate and be the first to get access to antiviral treatments. Out in the blood and muck, herd immunity will begin to emerge in at risk populations. The U.S. will continue to have high prevalence compared to other countries. History will look back on this as a Chernobyl moment, where the prestige of the United States fell to Asia. And a second term
of Trump will ensure it.



*From: *Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Prof David West
<[email protected]>
*Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
[email protected]>
*Date: *Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 8:25 AM
*To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic



Steve,



Yes the subject line is click-bait. In the body of the message I made a distinction between the disease pandemic and the perceived PANDEMIC. The
latter will go away whether or not the disease does.



The metrics for the latter would include increased traffic to websites like the Mathematica Individual COVID Risk calculator and less to WHO, CDC, and other overall statistical sites; a noticeable shift from personal interest stories about succuming to COVID to ones about succumbing to economic hardship; gaming floors in Las Vegas casinos opening with lots of assurance that gamblers are at no greater risk than when visiting a grocery store; stories about death rates moving from the front page to the second page or section; significant increase in lawsuits against restrictions with quick, probably out of court, capitulation by governor's; and the central
theme of stories about the pandemic, what the science tells, us,
whistleblowers, etc will be almost purely political in nature.



Going beyond mid-June, I would predict that you will see "wave crests" in terms of cases and deaths, but not "spikes." They will be big enough for the "experts" to claim they are right, but not big enough to trigger any socio-economic response and most people will regard any reporting of same with cynicism. Any attempt to reimpose lock-downs would likely result in
furious resistance and widespread civil disobedience.



davew







On Tue, May 12, 2020, at 7:13 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:

Dave -

The COVID-19 pandemic will end, at least in the US, by mid-June, 2020.

Ignoring the "bait" that I (and others) took earlier, I'll try to
respond to the singular prediction above:



What means "end"? What is a specific statistic that you believe to
indicate that the pandemic has ended?

From Wikipedia:

A *pandemic* (from Greek <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek> πᾶν, *pan*, "all" and δῆμος, *demos*, "people") is an epidemic
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic> of disease
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease> that has spread across a large
region, for instance multiple continents
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continents> or worldwide, affecting a
substantial number of people. A widespread endemic
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemic_(epidemiology)> disease with a stable number of infected people is not a pandemic. Widespread endemic diseases with a stable number of infected people such as recurrences of seasonal
influenza <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_influenza> are
generally excluded as they occur simultaneously in large regions of the
globe rather than being spread worldwide.

The WHO published THIS description of phases of a pandemic:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143061/

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*In the **post-pandemic** period, influenza disease activity will have returned to levels normally seen for seasonal influenza. It is expected that the pandemic virus will behave as a seasonal influenza A virus. At this stage, it is important to maintain surveillance and update pandemic preparedness and response plans accordingly. An intensive phase of recovery
and evaluation may be required.*



Or maybe some other (measurable) definition?

- Steve



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