Of course publishing papers "works", namely it buys you credibility. You then
use those credits to fop around in your dandies and, most importantly, secure funding
from credit-obsessed agencies.
Do published papers "work" in the sense of transmitting actionable knowledge? Only to the extent
that language is formal[ized], e.g. methods sections, math, and code. Here it is not "natural
language" that's doing the "work".
On 4/29/25 10:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
If natural language didn’t work, people wouldn’t publish papers, they’d publish
math and computer programs.
In any case, it is all the just different kinds of patterns. LLMs don’t
distinguish.
*From:*Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 29, 2025 10:02 AM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree
Allow me to de-snark what I just wrote.
I found the Wolpert quote challenging because it makes me realize that I have always taken the
Wittgenstein quote to mean, "Dont declare something ineffable and then go on to eff
it." rather than to mean "Don't try to expand your under standing of things by
exploring them with language (i.e., metaphor. )
On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 10:52 AM Nicholas Thompson <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Wolpert: what we can ever discern about that we cannot even conceive?
Wittgenstein: Of what we can never speak let us remain silent.
Thompson: Hmmmm! Oh Gosh!
On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 10:41 AM glen <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Marcus has more experience with such than I have. But my take is that
I've always regarded reading code as more important than writing code. And
debugging is more important still. So the impact of LLMs on coding *can be*
fantastic ... not that it will be or always is, but can be.
On 4/29/25 9:35 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>
> Hey, there, Glen. Them are some tall metaphors!
>
> I have from a friend some inkling about the way in which llm's
have affected software writing (as opposed tothe regular kind). But only an
inkling. Could you say more?
>
>
> Nick
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 11:15 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
> I know. If small green bipedal creatures landed on earth and
started tending to yardwork would that also be a disappointment? ____
>
> They’ve failed to trim my tall hedge, so curse them!____
>
> __ __
>
> *From:*Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> *On Behalf Of
*Nicholas Thompson
> *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2025 9:44 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the
tropospheree____
>
> __ __
>
> Hi Marcus,____
>
> __ __
>
> I find that George's indulgence with bad metaphor very useful.
____
>
> __ __
>
> I also find amazing his ability to grasp the gist of what I am
asking. I have essential tremor and a bad keyboard and still George almost always
gets the message. Siri will take any opportunity to misunderstand. ____
>
> __ __
>
> In this case, it was I, not George, who was cranking out the
sloppy metaphors, trying to find a way to convey just how thin the atmosphere is.
I was hoping Saran wrap thin, but that appears to be an order of magnitude too
far. ____
>
> __ __
>
> Am I reading this wrong? people often talk about LLM's as if
they are /disappointed/ in them, as if there is something they SHOULD do that they
aren't doing. Do you have any idea what the disappointment might be?: What is the
world hankering for that they don't provide?____
>
> __ __
>
> Nick____
>
> __ __
>
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 9:37 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:____
>
> I wonder if the George makers 1) realized that people have
an affinity to iffy analogies and they should give the people what they want, or
2) the LLM was prone to generating them so they just made it a feature?____
>
> ____
>
> *From:*Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> *On Behalf Of
*Nicholas Thompson
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2025 8:12 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the
tropospheree____
>
> ____
>
> George and I were looking for intuition pumps to help a
reader imagine how very thin the troposphere is. Here is what we came up
with:____
>
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