Marcus has more experience with such than I have. But my take is that I've 
always regarded reading code as more important than writing code. And debugging 
is more important still. So the impact of LLMs on coding *can be* fantastic ... 
not that it will be or always is, but can be.

On 4/29/25 9:35 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Hey, there, Glen.  Them are some tall metaphors!

I have from a friend some inkling about the way in which llm's have affected software writing (as opposed tothe regular kind).  But only an inkling.  Could you say more?

Nick

On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 11:15 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    I know.  If small green bipedal creatures landed on earth and started 
tending to yardwork would that also be a disappointment? ____

    They’ve failed to trim my tall hedge, so curse them!____

    __ __

    *From:*Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
*On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson
    *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2025 9:44 AM
    *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>>
    *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree____

    __ __

    Hi  Marcus,____

    __ __

    I find that George's indulgence with bad metaphor very useful. ____

    __ __

    I  also find amazing his ability to grasp the gist of what I am asking.  I 
have essential tremor and a bad keyboard and still George almost always gets 
the message.  Siri will take any opportunity to misunderstand. ____

    __ __

    In this case, it was I, not George, who was cranking out the sloppy 
metaphors, trying to find a way to convey just how thin the atmosphere is.  I 
was hoping Saran wrap thin, but that appears to be an order of magnitude too 
far. ____

    __ __

    Am I reading this wrong? people often talk about LLM's as if they are 
/disappointed/ in them, as if there is something they SHOULD do that they 
aren't doing.  Do you have any idea what the disappointment might be?: What is 
the world hankering for that they don't provide?____

    __ __

    Nick____

    __ __

    On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 9:37 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____

        I wonder if the George makers 1) realized that people have an affinity 
to iffy analogies and they should give the people what they want, or 2) the LLM 
was prone to generating them so they just made it a feature?____

        ____

        *From:*Friam <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson
        *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2025 8:12 PM
        *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>>
        *Subject:* [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree____

        ____

        George and I were looking for intuition pumps to help a reader imagine 
how very thin the troposphere is.   Here is what we came up with:____

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