True, and there is a point of ethics vs. morals. But in the end, there's a line that, IMHO, shouldn't be crossed.
Besides, at a purely ethical level, torture is a low-quality interrogation technique. It's overrated in its effectiveness, and creates boomerang effects which don't benefit an overall cause. Nevertheless, even arguing torture at a logical level is difficult for me. It's just reprehensible, not because of some pacificist ideology: Because beating the living shit out of someone for information brings us to the level of animals, and that's what we've been trying to evolve from for a very long time. Something Matthew Alexander spoke and wrote of recently: http://snipurl.com/8wosv Alex -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tomas L. Byrnes Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:19 PM To: Gadi Evron; Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [funsec] Apparently Milgram is still right I guess it depends on who you think you owe an ethical duty to, doesn't it. >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >On Behalf Of Gadi Evron >Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:11 PM >To: Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah >Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] >Subject: Re: [funsec] Apparently Milgram is still right > >On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah wrote: >> People are still willing to torture people, when told to do so by an >authority. >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/-/2/hi/health/7791278.stm >> >> This may explain some recent happenings, but it is still disturbing, >nonetheless. >> We in infosec, and members of society as a whole, have to push harder >on the >> ethics front. > >What does this have to do with ethics? >It's a trick question, think before answering. :) > > >> >> ====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) >> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] >> This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have >> set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now >> choose life.... - Deuteronomy 30:19 >> victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm >blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. >> https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec >> Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. >> >_______________________________________________ >Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. >https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec >Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
