Darryl wrote:
>
> > It is addictive (see below). Or why else do you think
> > there are Marijuana Addiction Treatment Programs like
> > http://www.solutions4recovery.com/marijuana.htm ?
> >
> > Denial won't solve problems -- on the contrary.
> >
> > Chris
>
> The "addiction" from marijuana when no other intoxicants or drugs are used
> is minimal;
I guess "when no other intoxicants or drugs are used" applies to 0.001% of
marijuana users or so.
> physical desires are gone within 3 to 5 days although the smoking of the
> plant creates a similar addiction, if there is high usage, as cigarettes
> from the tar and slight nicotine content.
So you admit that it's addictive.
> If we are considering those users who smoke to relieve their emotional
> problems, then it is not used recreationally, it is being used as an
> escape or a band-aid solution because the medical establishment will not
> or cannot treat the emotional problems reasonably or safely. The use of
> pharmaceuticals (anti-depressants or the harder psychotropics) is usually
> much more damaging to the individual (physically, due to side-effects, and
> emotionally) and creates a much more intense "addiction" than marijuana.
Strawman. I wasn't advocating to replace one band-aid with another, I was
advocating to address the root causes so band-aids aren't necessary.
> > "This study provides additional important data to better illustrate that
> > marijuana is a dangerous drug that can be addictive," Dr. Alan Leshner,
> > head of the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), which paid for the
> > study, said in a statement.
>
> This is the root of the problem here. This is a federally funded
> organization and if the findings are not those the government wishes to
> see, the report is shelved and the researchers and director are fired
First you admit that it's addictive and when a study finds the same, you
dismiss is as a conspiracy.
> > More than 80 percent of the boys and 60 percent of the girls were
> > clinically dependent on marijuana.
>
> There is no chemical dependency on marijuana. If there were, one would be
> unable to leave the substance for even a day without severe physical and
> emotional upheaval. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The number of days is just a matter of degree.
> > When asked, 97 percent of the teens said they still used marijuana even
> > after realizing it had become a problem for them.
> >
> > Eighty-five percent admitted their habit interfered with driving, school,
> > work and home life, while 77 percent said they spent "much time" getting,
> > using or recovering from the effects of marijuana, according to the study,
> > published in the journal Drug and Alcohol Dependence.
>
> This is absurd propaganda. These are high percentages of an extremely
> small group and would never in any other field be considered an appropriate
> statistic
Nope, group size was big enough for significance.
> > Most also said their problems started before they started using marijuana.
>
> Note the above line carefully. Marijuana was not the problem. The problems
> began before.
...and then pot added to their problems.
> Therefore, treat the problem not the result of the problem.
That's what I said from the start. But you want to give them the band-aid
which will add to their problems.
> The current medical establishment would have made these same individuals
> extremely dependent upon any of the "prescription drugs" (is Prozac a big
> seller these days?) as well as damaging the liver or other organs or
> glandular activity. Some anti-psychotics come with a higher price, requiring
> heart monitoring for their use. A friend of ours died at age 45 due to
> heart failure from one.
I'm sorry, but your friend should have addressed the roots of addiction
instead of smoking pot.
> Chris, to pull one very limited report and hold it up as God's Truth, as
> well as it being from a country that has waged war on this plant ever since
> the tobacco and alcohol lobby of the late 20's sought to rid themselves of
> this competition to their profits, is not what I have grown to expect from
> you.
I am well aware that your gov't uses the "war on drugs" as a cynical pretext
to do very nasty things, while not being credible at all (cf. Contragate,
support for Noriega, KLA & Afghan drug lords etc.). But that doesn't change
the fact that drug use is a scourge to mankind and shouldn't be promoted.
> The pleasantness, camaraderie, ability to retain functionality and
^^^^^^^^^^^
> clarity make marijuana a more acceptable high than even liquor.
If "camaraderie" needs drugs to function then there's something wrong
with the comrades. From the pot smokers I had to experience, I can only
say that talk of "camaraderie" is cynical nonsense.
Chris
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