> The list can decide on who is putting words in anothers mouth.
Yes, the list can read your earlier statements again:
>>> The 4 horsemen include war (man culling man) but also famine and
>>> disease. I meant be culled by natural forces.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> On 5/9/2010 7:12 AM, Christoph Reuss wrote:
>>> > famine and the spread of disease in our modern society are
>>> > MAN-MADE, not "natural forces"
>>>
>>> Now this is the height of the ridiculous! ;-) You think humans are not
>>> 'natural"?
Circular logic: First you "meant natural forces", and when I say that
it's humans, not "natural forces", then you say that humans are natural.
So you agree that it's humans who do it. (If it were non-human natural
forces, then you wouldn't have to point out that humans are natural.)
Well, I know what you meant. If you throw me into a lions' cage, and the
lions eat me, you can say that it wasn't you who killed me, it was the lions.
Nice trick! And if the billionaires use bioweapons, they can say it was the
fungus that caused the famine that culled the masses... And if they "merely"
import tons of food from starving Africa to obese Europe, they can say that
the food scarcity caused the famine that culled the Blacks (because they
had too many kids!). Heck, those pesky 4 horsemen!
> I predict
> and bet that human population will be under the present number by the
> end of this century.
Well possible outcome, but still no proof that this will be due to population
growth (sic!) rather than Predator acts.
If I predict that a violent husband will beat his wife to death until the
end of the year, does that mean the 4 horsemen killed her, or that she had
too many children? You bet! ;-)
> And I will bet that crime, predation, sickness, and
> suffering will all increase during the coming decades.
Well possible, because Predators make money off all of that -- and they just
can't get enough, even if they already have $billions. Time to shrink their
bank accounts more than population...
> Humans are hierarchical;
Is this list hierarchical? Well, Sally & Arthur are in charge, but so far
they didn't behave like cavemen, and I've been on for over a decade. ;-)
Not even Keith has "killed" me (virtually). ;-)
> In a finite cage
> (of rats for example) violence increases as numbers of inhabitants grow.
This is just 1 parameter among very many, and other parameters are more
influential (e.g. nutrition, toxins, substance abuse, education/training,
culture, technology) -- and human society is much more complex than a
cage of rats -- adding many more parameters. All of these other parameters
can be influenced in a modern society, so it's easy to compensate for
increased population density.
It's easy to find examples of countries with only a fraction of Switzerland's
population density, but many wars during the last 150 years while we had none.
But if you look in which direction (the wrong one!) the so-called
"philanthropist" billionaires are steering these other parameters (and also
the population increase parameter that matters in the West: immigration),
then you know that the billionaires don't mean well. They don't want to
save the planet, they want the big cull to get rid of unprofitable masses.
Just look at their actions, not words.
> You think that thinking good thoughts, and/or throwing the current batch
> of 'top dogs' out can fix things. Well, you are dreaming.
Another misrepresentation of my position and statements. Overcoming
Predator mismanagement and building sustainable technology requires a
thorough paradigm shift and many important concrete actions. But a
necessary precondition to that is to see thru stone-age propaganda
that blames the victims and serves to maintain/worsen the status quo.
Chris
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