Good posts,

Reminds of a /Malcolm in the Middle/ episode in which the hard working, ever floundering Dad, Hal, tries to teach his 1 year old son Reese--soon to be a brilliant trouble maker, not at all academic--with the latest educational flash cards to ensure that he will turn out a success. Meanwhile, his unborn developing son Malcolm, present because of Mom being in the kitchen on these occasions, is actually the one absorbing all this stuff, and turns out to be the academic genius of the family.

Natalia



Ray Harrell wrote:

 Ed

Something else I read recently (I forget where), suggests that babies are programmed from the earliest stages of gestation and have already learned a lot in the womb by the time they are born.

That's very native Ed. But from a non-native author consider the below on the Pinker statement. Pinker's taking his knocks these days from the Neurologists because of his labeling of the Arts as "Evolutionary Cheesecake." It seems that they are much more connected to Pinker's love (language) than he would like. That music and language arose at the same time or maybe singing came first before language and after rhythm and dance. That we are hardwired by both neurology and the device of pleasure to do these things for our own development. Consider this: "the underlying purpose of music is in its attributes as a specific language of perception that engages brain and behavior. This engagement has a neurological basis and serves neurological purposes, stimulating cognitive, affective and sensorimoter behavior in a way unique to aesthetic perceptions. Forms and patterns of artworks create a particular input to the brain that synchronizes perception and cognition.....now understood within a biological framework, music trains the senses, the body and the mind: The arts connect and exercise brain function and the discovery of the physical world through their unique modalities of aesthetic perception and aesthetic expression.....
Michael H. Thaut "Rhythm Music and the Brain," 2005

I assume that the term modality here is the neurological meaning which means a compartmentalized function that has its own physical integrity. Current research says that the human brain is hardwired to use the arts for development in the same way that it is hardwired to use language grammar. Native people call this: "Original Instructions" and we have a pedagogy for teaching the child in the womb as well.

REH

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    That is what we do Natalia.     I have a close friend who studied
    with the Salish people and who helps me with these things.    It's
    not hard for a Traditional Indian to image these things and it's
    also not hard for a musician who knows that reality is created in
    the mind and disappears when you finish with it unlike the people
    tied to the tyranny of touch and see and what they choose to call
    the "Material" world.    For me it is a matter of the English
    language which is locked in Subjects and Direct Objects and hard
    nouns and has a problem with describing process or the flow of
    reality.

    This is from the new Thaut book that I told you about:

    With the advent of modern cognitive neuroscience and its new tools
    of studying the human brain, "live," music as a highly complex,
    temporally ordered and rule-based sensory language quickly became
    a fascinating topic of study, probably driven by the quiet hope
    that these new tools and paradigms would bring us closer to an
    understanding of the function and role of music and its mechanisms
    to attract our minds.  In parallel to these aspirations, however,
    another highly significant development in studying music
    scientifically occurred, which was possibly less foreseen by many
    researchers.    We now know that by studying the physiology and
    neurology of brain function in music we can actually obtain a
    great deal of knowledge about general brain function, in regard to
    the perception of complex auditory sound stimuli, time and rhythm
    processing, differential processing of music and language as two
    aural communication systems, biological substrates of learning
    versus innate talent in the arts, and pro­cessing of higher
    cognitive functions related to temporality and emotion. Music has
    become a very useful model for brain research in perception and
    cognition.

    It has become quite clear in recent years that one of the most
    interesting and provocative suggestions coming out of these
    efforts in music and brain science is the realization of music as
    a biologically deeply ingrained function of the human brain. The
    brain has neural circuitry that is dedicated to music. Music is
    associated with a specific yet complex brain architecture.
    Sensitivity to music plays a critical role in the development of
    all children regardless of the presence or absence of later
    artistic achievement.  Music is ubiquitous in all known historical
    and present cultures. It is safe to say that music is much more
    than cultural artifact, an icing on the cake of human evolution
    after basic biological needs and developments were adaptively
    satisfied. This will be discussed further in this book in relation
    ship to a new paradigm of a neuroscience of aesthetics.

    Rhythm, Music and the Brain:   Scientific Foundations and Clinical
Applications, Michael H. Thaut. Routledge pg. viii.
    Best,

    REH.

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    That lovely lady's body would be suffering all the more if not for
    her wise active mind. She's fortunate to have put it to good use
    to eventually ease the transition to the next life.

    Do you ever wonder how much easier this transition from active
    mind to frailty to physical death would be if people could learn
    to accept altered states as a natural function of their time on
    Earth? If they had a shaman, spiritual or psychotherapist guide
    them through these changes, is it possible they could unravel some
    buried stuff and sojourn into new realms with dignity in tact
    rather than be branded with senility?

    As I glance at a list of Salish spirit quest altered states of
    consciousness symptoms, described by Ludwig in the context of
    trance and possession, 1968, I start to wonder:

    1) alterations in thinking; including predominance of archaic
    modes of thought, blurring of cause effect distinction, cognitive
    ambivalence

    2) disturbed time sense

    3) loss of conscious control and inhibition which may be
    relinquished in order to gain a greater, culturally defined power

    4) change in emotional expression towards affective extremes
    ranging from ecstasy to profound fear

    5) body image changes; feelings of depersonalization,
    derealization, dissolution of boundaries between self and
    environment, often associated with dizziness, weakness, blurred
    vision and analgesia

    6) perceptual distortions,; hallucinations, illusions, visual
    imagery, hyper-acuteness of perceptions, synaesthetic experiences

    7) change in meaning; attachment of increased or specific
    significance to subjective experience or external cues, leading to
    thrilling feelings of insight, and revelation of "truth" which
    then carries an unshakable conviction

    8) sense of ineffable; the essence of the personal experience is
    felt not to be directly communicable; and this is often explained
    by varying degrees of amnesia

    9) feelings of rejuvenation; of renewed hope or of rebirth

    10) hyper-suggestibility: a propensity to accept, or to respond
    uncritically to statements of an authority figure via
    identification, or to cultural and group expectations.

    Imagine walking someone through the first parts to have them weave
    through the latter--without the feelings of grief and loss over
    ego self. Picture them being with someone who knew what to watch
    for, and who could interpret what was seen or felt, without being
    overbearing or subjective. Western culture would call these
    altered states psychogenic, most often observed in hypnosis,
    religious revelation or hysterical dissociation. Christians call
    it something else (like demonic possession), and yet differences
    are about cultural rather than psychological or neurophysiological
    states. But the term 'trance' designates a state of double
    consciousness, between limiting state of awareness of personal
    self and dream-like state of the para-personal self. The
    "neuropsychological basis of the trance or possession state is the
    dissociation of the self, which loses its experiential unity and
    is converted into a secondary dual system of relational
    experience." This "capacity to attain altered states of
    consciousness are a universal property of the human central
    nervous system, but their prevalence is the function of
    socio-cultural variables" says Wolfgang G. Jilek, M.D., author of
    /Indian Healing, Shamanic Ceremonialism in the Pacific Northwest
    Today/. There may be a reason, a personal motivation for induction
    of these states by seniors, and we're dismissing/misdiagnosing
    their landmark passage as signs of demise.

    I've long suspected that a lot of what's going on with cognitive
    impairment has to do with mind taking a trek/break from chiefly
    psychological pain and restraints. I suspect that at the first
    signs of it, people ignore the warnings to search for peace
    within. Seniors generally will become frightened and seek out
    allopathic remedies, which may or may not be the answer. In my
    observations, this usually marks the beginning of the end because
    the drugs are so harmful, and require other drugs to alleviate the
    adverse effects. Then, it's diarrhea city. Every elderly patient
    I've observed, be it with Alzheimer's or depression, post-stroke
    or what have you, has been bombarded with mind numbing
    anti-depressants or systems depressants that typically lead to hip
    fractures/falls that wouldn't likely have happened had the patient
    stayed home, got meals delivered, and were allowed time to work it
    out themselves or with some nursing or counseling. Sure, you have
    those who might set the house on fire, but I'll bet they are more
    in the numbers of those who are iatrogenic victims than not.

    I've wondered how much rigidity and such things as giving away
    one's personal power over time have to do with later brain
    impairment or demise. Usually permanent physical condition arises
    out of a predisposition for it, yet it's always different with
    each patient. But if that person had been able to know themselves,
    others and their world better in a more connected or fulfilling
    light, would it have been easier for them? There's often a pattern
    of a major resentment or trauma that should have been addressed.
    Blockages that can cause very real symptoms that can all too
    easily easily be assigned a clinical name. And once they hand over
    their own well being to the care of others and pharmaceuticals,
    they may never learn that looking at life differently will yield
    different results. They've never been taught the tools, or the
    resources in naturopathic remedies, and though spirituality might
    take them there, their steady diet of religion or resentment
    thereof fails to direct them. I believe religions should be taught
    in school. All religions and spiritual beliefs, so that people
    would know choice. Biggest thing going, along with science and
    technology, and kids are forced to learn dogma from within
    limiting parental purlieus, or worse still, from a religious
    school they may be attending. Atheism should also be taught, not
    just left fore kids to adopt without knowing the theory.

    We all have to dream and experience freedom for our mind's
    well-being. In material life, immediate gratification without
    consequences would obviously lead to miscreant actions. Aside from
    all of the physiological documented evidence one could present, I
    suspect night dreams are the mind's coping strategy for daytime
    maintenance of high energy, low frequency physicality. If we
    didn't have the escape from the physical on a (preferably)
    nocturnal basis, our minds would go nuts from chronic imagined
    imprisonment--not so much physical but psychical. In aging, our
    dream recall tends to diminish, resulting in less conscious
    processing of subconscious experience. People with vivid recall
    don't seem to experience this lessening, but they may become
    victims of their own fear-based interpretations as the line
    between conscious and subconscious crosses or merges. Most
    psychologists could help these people to some extent, but getting
    the help they need in time never happens.

    Just thoughts. Not professional. What do you think?

    Natalia



    Ray Harrell wrote:

    "I have to go visit a 90 year old Jewish lady whose brain is not
    downsized.   It's just her body.    What a waste."

    Hey Natalia,   I was sad before I went.   She is bright and worked
    full time up until she was 88.   She raised a daughter on her
    own.    The daughter became so self reliant that in her late teens
    she hiked all over Europe and a lot of Asia, was a member of the
    Bread and Puppet Theater and worked through college to a PHD in
    Social Work.     She rescued a couple of Indian children from the
wars in Central America and raised them as a single mother. Because they are Indian she brought them to our community and participated with them in our ceremonials and rituals. Meanwhile she is known as an angel to the police because she would
    step right in front of a policeman's gun to protect a child in a
    drug dealers apartment.     She is now retired but has gone back
to school and is continuing to do her profession privately.
    What an amazing little woman with an amazing mother who smiled a
    huge smile and spoke beautifully with a mind that speaks for
    someone much younger than her 90+ years.      So much knowledge in
    so frail a body.

It was a gift to me today. Thank you Miriam,
    Wado Edoda.

    REH

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