Back in Ontario, we met with an ex-university science prof who had retired and become a violin repair person. Long story on the fiddle.

Any way...we first met the ex-scientist because his wife heard that I knew of someone who distributed good quality magnetic sleep pads. His scientific mind was */con/*-vinced of their merit because of positive results for both himself and his wife, but damned if he knew why. The person selling them was a retired nurse who had spent too much time in the cancer ward, watching people die quickly and painfully from radiation and chemotherapy. She decided to dedicate her life to alternative treatments for health, especially around cancer treatments. Some seemed to have had life extending results. Others, dubious, but well intended on her part, thus possibly inspiring necessary belief for effectiveness. Of course, skeptics will always come up with loss of life, sad stories around alternative therapies, but I think the movement towards natural remedies speaks to peoples' desire to take greater charge of their health, and to extend a little bit more will to work with the body than in previous years of total dependency upon an allopathic physician and Pharma's often deadly fare.Hence, the greater push for choice in coverage globally.

*Natalia*



Ray Harrell wrote:

There are many companies out there marketing water products that are used by health clubs and athletes. I recently spoke to someone who had a chronic health problem that has gotten better with these products. He's a scientist himself and is bemused by the fact that he can't figure out why. But he would rather get better than be right. It's often that way around healing. For years FM Alexander was made fun of until Konrad Lorenz made him a part of his Nobel speech. Then suddenly everyone was wanting to do Alexander lessons. Good thing. They work. Of course they never took on Moshe Feldenkrais. He was a fierce physicist and designed the Israeli tank and he developed these nervous system exercises that retrain the body and mind to better more efficient psycho-physical patterning. The world is so wonderful. So much bigger than culture driven "science." I take my Isagenix vitamins daily with my Isa-water and I too feel better. Damned if I know why!

REH

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That's mighty quick of you to interpret for Chris. I wanted to hear from him first, to see if he was going to go elsewhere with it, but he, too, disappointed me. I was hoping for an Al Gore kind of exploitation story.

If Emoto is delusional, or a con, like I said to Chris, it's hardly the lie that Pharma wants us to swallow about toxins being a part of everyone's daily requirements. Emoto's 8 ounces of geometrically perfect water I likely won't die from. Have you personally verified its ineffectiveness?

It does appear suspicious, and I would never be looking to buy his products, of which I was unaware, but part of a good education is having skeptics and true scientists like yourself immediately bring to light the ill-intended because of your strong need to stay skeptical, so that I myself can be wary. I'm not conceding that because a=b often translates to a fact that a always = b.

Allopathic placebo medicine is renowned for its ability to improve quality of both brain function and physical well being. It's efficacy rate can reach as high as 50% or more in double blind studies. We can conclude that a lot of medicine, allopathic (which rarely proves to be scientifically developed) or otherwise, can boil down to a huge con, too. Of mind over matter! Do you ever wonder how much of that Pharma medicine you may have consumed yourself, Mike?

*Natalia

*Mike Spencer wrote:

Have you heard of Dr. Masaru Emoto? He wrote three volumes of books, the first called /The Hidden Mesages of Water. /I'll sum it up for you.
    Water responds to music and to thought. Google it.

    What are you trying to say with this bit:

    /Suggesting that water is alive, as Parry did, is esoterical nonsense.

    That's how Predators hijack science./

Dr. Emoto sells products based on his claims. For example, the
    products page of Emoto's Hado website is currently offering
    "geometrically perfect" "Indigo water" that is "highly charged
    hexagonally structured concentrate," and supposedly creates
    "structured water" that is "more easily assimilated at the
    cellular level" for $35 for an eight-ounce bottle.
Chris is saying that anyone who belives that is a classic specimen of
Sucker for Pseudoscience and that the Professional Bad Guys are happy
to exploit such gullibility and ignorance.
Here's another one: http://www.slimspurling.com/ I know about this only because I met Slim Spurling (now deceased) back
in '76 when he was a blacksmith.  Good smith, good teacher, cool guy
but believed all kinds pseudoscientific crap.  Eventually he
discovered that he could make good living with gullibility and
pseudoscientific mysticism and gave up smithing.
- Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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