Christoph Reuss wrote:
Natalia wrote:
Is that gasoline analogy like the one about the virtuoso's violin going
up in value because of the its inherent tone? You are comparing apples
to oranges. Gas has never shaped automobiles in the way that water has
done for our planet and for life on it.
The point is that you have to distinguish between the object and the
liquid in it. The object is alive/propelling, but not the liquid --
although the liquid is a necessary prerequisite (but not a sufficient one!)
for life/propulsion.
NK---Yes, Chris, I get that. What I'm trying to convey is that without
vitality of healthy water, life will cease, just as without healthy air,
and vital minerals. All parts to our biosphere work in cooperation to
create and support life. They are integral and interdependent. A vital
hydrosphere is essential in its functions as part of Earth's regulator
for balance. From the perspective of cooperation, rather than from that
of competition, water serves as the circulatory system, cleansing and
flushing, for the homeostasis of the planet.
Try going for a week or two without water-based beverages or food, and
get back to me.
Try giving water to a dead person, and get back to me if that gives life
back to the person.
NK---Cute. Electricity often works. Perhaps the two together could
someday do a better job! However, water itself can be brought back to
vitality following certain changes. Dead zones from farm run-off have
been revitalized after the nitrogen waste water was captured.
I would argue that reproduction is not the only validation for life
signs.
I didn't suggest it was the only one. But all lifeforms reproduce --
or they wouldn't be here anymore. It's that simple. But water doesn't
reproduce, so it's not a lifeform.
NK---What are you going to say about all this when /science/ proves that
everything we see or detect has no life until it is actually observed?
Until probability waves collapse into particles? I suspect you'll reject
science at such a point in favour of accidental life. Then you'll be
facing the gullible label. What will you say to the possibility that all
physicality is the projection of mind? Puppets, so to speak, thereby
leveling the field, and having that rock be intrinsically no different
from the athlete.
With vitality in healthy water comes an energy, and with it the
power to transform at the cellular level. If you drink stale water, you
get sick or die. Drinking from ancient unpolluted glacier sources can
revive in a way that our toxic surface water cannot.
That is only due to toxins/bacteria in the bad water and healthy minerals
in the good water. The H2O is the same in all water, and water is not alive
just because it contains some minerals (that are also dead).
Actually, with your remark on stale water, you are contradicting yourself:
If there's life in the water (bacteria, such as Legionella), then it's
UNhealthy!
NK---Actually, in the beginning, there was only ocean water and
anaerobic bacteria, whose cooperative converted nitrates to nitrogen
gas, which led to an atmosphere which led to other life.
We come back to the question of whether or not Gaia lives.
No, that's a different question ("Gaia" is the composite of all kinds of
materials, as opposed to the single-molecule H2O). But you are right that
"Gaia" is another esoterical concept invented by Predators...
Not at all different. Just that science is telling you its version of
reality, and you believe it out of fear. Like religious people believe
they must believe in God or else he'll punish you. Gaia theory's return
from three hundred years ago to when Lovelock redefined the function of
biosphere as acting like a single system, had nothing to do with predation.
Whether or not one can communicate with nature. Perhaps just another
choice for happiness, but I buy it.
Overall, esoterical nonsense brings UNhappiness to society. Remember
the Middle Ages?
NK---Nonsense in any form often brings unhappiness, unless it's comedy.
I would rather we look to other avenues, with all the expected
experimentation and pitfalls, than to accept unquestioningly the current
system of thought that pervades society. In case you haven't noticed,
things are a little stagnant. The science of medicine, the science of
economics, the science of war, advertising, relationships, etc. Even the
greatest scientific minds in recorded history belonged to esoteric
circles, for which they were often persecuted. Today, you consider their
work to be scientific laws.
Btw, do you think water in the Alps can read Japanese?
No.
Then why should water in Japan be able to read Japanese? Did this water
attend different schools than the Alpine water?
NK---It responds to intention, is the idea.
It does perhaps indicate that there's a medium of sensitivity, a
response to intent on the part of mind.
No matter how you try to evade, the claim would require that the water
_understands_ what is written.
NK---The writing was for the record of the human observer.
/Suggesting that water is alive, as Parry did, is esoterical nonsense.
That's how Predators hijack science./
I would think that attributing life, or at the very least, the giver of
life, to water would be in the best interests of those who know that
water is what keeps this planet going, and those who understand that it
shouldn't be exploited by Predators.
You are using double standards. You say that industry pollutes out of greed
but esoterical snake-oil peddlers do not pollute because they're the good guys.
Guess what, Predators are the bad guys no matter on which "side" they pose.
However, esoterical nonsense gives Predators much greater opportunities than
science does, because science can be verified! And science is about knowing
what you're doing, which is necessary to fix things. So science is in the
best interest of environmentalists. (Note that corruption of science is
not science but lack of science!)
NK---Yes, science verifies, but most often, in the case of medicine, has
not, and in the cases of need to mine or need to drill, has not either.
Nor does science do well in the ability to fix things. Engineering, more
likely.
NK---Uh, I don't know what numbers you're considering, but Pharma
predators have it hands down over snake oil salesmen. No, I wasn't
saying there's a distinction, just that predation enters into every
aspect of life, and that you don't respond so passionately or
pugnaciously to call out Pharma's overwhelming abuses, only when I raise
a possibility out of line with convention. Ohh!! Experimental science is
= Pseudo-science, and it's is so sinful! They'll destroy everything!
Well, that's just what so-called real science is doing. But, bitch about
the little guy if you need to feel in control...
Yeah, well, there are Predators everywhere, exploiting everything.
Pharma kills more per capita than the occasional delusional scientist
with their natural remedies.
It's only logical that homeopaths kill few patients, because their
"remedies" are basically just sugar pills. But please don't confuse
that with natural remedies -- which can be powerful indeed. Talking
about "live foods" is a different topic, because the chemistry of
e.g. omega-3 fatty acids is actually different in fresh food versus
dead (rancid) food. But H2O is always H2O! (Other ingredients
such as minerals are a different issue again.)
NK---OK, science would stop you right here. I cannot speak to
homeopathy, beyond the feedback of how it seems to work for many, and
that is no different from allopathic results. Naturopathy is not
considered scientifically verifiable until science performs several
double blind studies on any given treatment or remedy or food. Is it
food that you're hoping your medical plan will cover to detoxify your
toxic system? Has that food been proven scientifically to clear the
specific toxin which concerns you?
Pharma wants us to believe that toxic chemicals are the essentials to life.
The old Tweedledee-Tweedledum rhetoric that's so typical of Dems. The fact
that Big Pharma is bad doesn't mean that we have to trust voodoo "medicine".
The fact that Republicans are bad doesn't mean that Obama(care) is good.
Predators are bad on both "sides"!
NK---No one here is asking you to trust it. This whole tirade of yours
is based on the misconception that I asked you to believe something,
something that would hurt you to the core. That's up to you if you want
to play victim. But, just like with Omega 3's--they work for /you/, may
be even in the way you expect. Perhaps it's just in your head because
you've bought the advertising. You know, like the countless high blood
pressure medicine rip-offs! All previously scientifically tested, then
scientifically re-tested to yield poorer results than placebos and
diuretics. Science said Vit E had to be 400 IUs, then science said, no,
100 IUs is safer.
NK---I like to verify herbal effectiveness on my sick cats. They don't
have any idea what I'm giving them, other than perhaps if they don't
smarten up, they'll keep getting a foul tasting substance on their gums.
Oh, and I noticed they need protein and fresh water, too.
*Natalia
*
In fact, the Tweedledee-Tweedledum rhetoric (aka "good cop / bad cop")
is a trick used by Predators to deflect people's attention from the real
issues and to make themselves (the "good cop") look good! Indeed, that
"hydrogen bomb" homeopath was ranting and raving against Big Pharma's
greed to deflect the audience's attention (mostly chronically ill people)
from his own greed...
Chris
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