Ray's point which I agree with, is, I think, that naive people will attempt to simplify a complex process which they don't understand. with often disastrous results. Whether those people have significantly developed/underdeveloped frontal paraphernalia (Keith) or are fairies with fangs from the bottom of the garden (Chris) doesn't make much difference at all to the process or its outcomes. M
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Hudson Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:53 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] It's those frontal lobes again I don't follow your logic. KSH At 09:20 18/11/2010 -0500, Ray wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CB8701.DAF334C0" Content-Language: en-us Hello Keith and Mike, My dentist is from India. He told me a story about Christian missionaries who moved into a village and gave Jesus credit for a change in the weather that broke a drought. The missionary used terms like competitive advantage in describing the superiority of his religion over the Hindu. Later there was an emergency in the village that the villagers came to the missionary and asked him to get Jesus to fix. The missionary said it wasnt like that. Jesus helped them to help themselves. At which point the authorities found the missionary burned to death in his vehicle. I tend to think that this frontal lobe thing is like the missionary and Jesus or the parallel in my business where the greatest vocal method in the world for the training of voice goes under the brand name bel canto. The method, developed by the Italians, is intricate, difficult, takes years and works. But modern society doesn't like such things. They are not scale. So in the land of bel cantowhich developed not only vocal culture in the West but also a great compositional tradition to take advantage of the superior vocal technique, the Frontal Lobe or Darwinian story has won the day. Voices are not developedthey are a Gift of Godand the business part of music is not logical but an accident of nature. In the U.S. the gift of Godtheory is actually codified in New York State law. What do you think? REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Gurstein Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:16 AM To: 'Keith Hudson'; 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] It's those frontal lobes again The reason(s) for the decline of microfinance in various parts of India has more to do with sociological naivety, arrogance and greed than with anything you seem to be pointing to in your note below, Keith. The transformation of fairly simple (and very long standing) notions of mutual support and collective norm enforcement into the central theme for "status goods" driven hi tech zillionaire philanthropists (entrepreneurs in their arrogance funding what they assumed would be entrepreneurial (and not socially driven) enterprises in rural India and elsewhere) and then having even this swept up into profit driven (usurial lending) IPO's is what has caused the local problems. M -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Hudson Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:53 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, ,EDUCATION Subject: [Futurework] It's those frontal lobes again Reading this morning in the New York Times that the microcredit industry among the poor in India's largest state, Andrah Pradesh, is now collapsing reminds us that "picking oneself up by one's bootstraps" is in the same category as the perpetual motion machine. An impossibility. Muhammad Yunus's initial idea of the Grameen Bank, which dazzled so many with great hope in the 70s, 80s and 90s and for which he received a Nobel Peace Prize in 2006, is now crumbling in India and will no doubt do so elsewhere. Steady-state systems, never mind hoped-for economic growth, never work unless energy, money, ideas, what-have-you, come in from the outside -- and constantly, too. This is a basic thermodynamic law (which most economists and politicians are totally unaware of). Life on earth (truly the 'master economy') only exists because the sun is pouring energy on it every day. Similarly, economic systems only exist by means of continuously accessing new energy resources or by making more efficient use of those we already exploit. Furthermore, economic systems can only grow if there's a chain of uniquely new status goods beckoning the mass consuming public onwards -- to work hard and save hard -- as they did for most of the last 250 years or so. Both of those are problem areas now. Fossil fuel energy has probably passed its peak and there are no alternatives so far that can possibly take up enough slack or maintain the low energy costs that we have become used to. There are now no more iconic status goods which can motivate all classes of Western society. No matter how much money governments print, it will only inflate prices because there are only replacement and embellishment markets for existing goods available now. And those, by themselves, won't supply sufficient profit margins and re-investments to keep the show growing, as Western politicians desperately want to happen. In the end, we are not dead, despite what that cheerful Bloomsbury intellectual, John Maynard Keynes, used to say. If he'd been born only a generation later then he would have been aware of what modern archeologists are now revealing -- the waning and (exuberant) waxing of far more civilizations than he was aware of or could even have imagined. Like it or not, the vast extension of our frontal lobes beyond that of any other species has made us insatiably curious and creative, and there is always the possibility of a new social and economic order arising from new technologies. Even though the 30-year decline in real Western median wages and replenishable family size will probably continue for some time yet (while some other countries catch up to our standard of living), the new science of genetics and the new burgeoning DNA technology are already sketching new methods of tapping into solar energy and describing social models in which status can express itself without the constant purchase of new gewgaws. Keith Keith Hudson, Saltford, England _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework Keith Hudson, Saltford, England
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