Hi, Ray, Thanks for your comments on Barth. The assumption that the reference was to Jean Calvin did seem off.
Calvin was a nasty piece of work who found a welcome in Geneva and dominated the place for quite a while. Among his nasty behavior was the pursuit of Michael Servetus, a Spanish Reformer of considerable humanity and brilliance who refuted the notion of the Trinity. Fearing rivalry more than theology, Calvin engineered Servetus execution in geneva, where he had sought refuge. Leading members of the Genevese elite served as Servetus's prosecuter and judge (Berthelier and Tissot), families that even today are dominant in Geneva. I agree that Karl Barth is interesting, though may seem today a bit quaint and tidy given the turns that our world has taken since his day. Cheers, Lawry On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Ray Harrell wrote: > It's the old "I am but I'm not" paradox that is pure reform in Carl Barth. > Of course, the moment that you mention Calvin's French background you join > us in the conventional that you decry as "racist." But I know little of > Calvin other than what my Presbyterian teachers taught me in the theology > courses at the University of Tulsa and they were talking about Carl Barth. > Barth talked a lot like you do. I read a lot of him fifty years ago. My > teacher was a Dr. Gamie who had a lot of Cherokee students. He was trained > at Saint Andrews in Scotland. He was a good scholar and fun, for a > Christian. But then real scholarship is always fun. > > REH > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christoph Reuss > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Futurework] It's those frontal lobes again > > M.Gurstein wrote: >> Whether those people have significantly developed/underdeveloped frontal >> paraphernalia (Keith) or are fairies with fangs from the bottom of the >> garden (Chris) doesn't make much difference at all to the process or its >> outcomes. > > The usual misrepresentation of my statements. Strawmen are not arguments. > Predators aren't fairies. But whether people believe in Predators (giving > them power), makes one helluva difference to the process and outcomes. > No matter whether they are Hindus or Christians. > > As for the microcredit system, the big lenders crushed it for the same > reason that Walmart crushed Mom&Pop: Desperate people have little choice, > and Predators create the coercive conditions for their decisions. > > --- > > REH wrote: >> You have to get closer to the people Keith. The Western guy comes in and >> breaks up the traditions and when his traditions turn out to be out of > sync >> with the system of the culture and effects people's lives there are >> repercussions. > > Why do you only blame "the Western guy" (priest), although the "Eastern guy" > (monk) would ALSO fail to fix the emergency? You rejected the "competitive > advantage" concept as European, but you apply it yourself in the example of > the missionary (suggesting that the Hindu religion was better), and earlier > with your boast of "the world's best genius crop" (which it isn't). > > --- > >> Wasn't it a Swiss theologian who >> said you were pre-programmed to think like that as a result of being >> pre-destined? You just can't help yourself. The universe did it to > you. > > The inacceptable racist slander continues. Arthur sent a wrong message by > encouraging Ray. > > Btw, Calvin was French. And in case you still missed it, I'm an atheist. > So what's your point? I suggest you first get over your esoterical beliefs, > before trying to lecture an atheist that one religion is wrong. > > Chris > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
