Darryl: I have felt for a long time that those "religions" that seek control of
individuals, communities, societies and nations "in the name of God" have
actually corrupted the very concept of God by separating us (the individual)
from our own "Godness", from the spirit within...
Me: Throughout human history, religion, like politics and the economy, has been
a major source of power that people can use to create social hierarchies with
the most powerful at the top and the huge powerless mass at the bottom. The
Pope spoke to God; you could only do so through the established hierarchy and
its rituals. However, it no longer is that way. While a considerable degree
of conformity is required of our behavior in society and the economy, how we
behave with regard to religion is now very much up to us. Several centuries
have now passed since heretics were burned at the stake and witches were hung
in New England. We are now free to believe what we want to, and if we don't
want to believe, we don't have to.
But that's us. There was an item on the news last night about women from the
Middle East wanting to participate in the Olympics. It would seem that finding
a way to do so without conflicting with their belief system won't be easy.
Where they live, religion is still very powerful.
Ed
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But when God is only an external Whose wishes and concerns are "told" to us
by someone else, we each lose our "manifest destiny". We lose our
responsibility (responsibility to ourselves, to one another, to all that has
been created for us in this "reality" and to God. One may say we even lose our
purpose for being (being here). So, I have felt for a long time that those
"religions" that seek control of individuals, communities, societies and
nations "in the name of God" have actually corrupted the very concept of God by
separating us (the individual) from our own "Godness", from the spirit within ;
that which is present in All, that which connects each and every life on this
planet as well as those lives we do not understand - yet. But we must look
within to find that which is without. Once found, then, I believe, that
"feeling" can be communicated. I believe words can only convey an arbitrary
idea, feelings are the vibrations of life, of the spirit, of God. Further -
those "things" that pluck at the "feelings" are what should matter in this
realm of being; more, much more than the mental exercise of analysis and
concept. Thus the Arts convey more truth than any other "discipline" we have
invented.
Darryl
On 24/07/2012 4:14 AM, Ed Weick wrote:
We all need our gods because we exist in an insecure place, somewhere
between birth and death (what comes before, what comes after?), between the
infinitesimal and the infinite, and between humanity and brutality. We don't
know where we are and have always needed a god or gods to guide and protect us.
Ed
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From: Ray Harrell
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In Shamanism each individual is a part of the great mystery, the Eternal
Spirit breathed in with the first breath from the Lifegiver. The mother is
not the Breathgiver. In the search for the choice of your God, your Ultimate
Concern, the Center post of your reality, It is not enough to think male or
female and often they are referred to as "they" and as Grandfather/Grandmother.
Lots of examples. Because the spirit is eternal and is breath, the spirit
chooses which family, people, etc to live in. The Great Mystery which is
eternal, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent manifests in the temporary and
dances a dance of life within us all. To a Christian, only Jesus does that
because only Jesus is the true Son of God but Jesus said to his students, "So
are we all sons of God." That is what the Shaman says as they follow the
drama in this "Field of Plenty." We are all God acting out and we are not.
There are things that God discovers through us and that we cannot know as
actors on this plane of existence.
REH
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Ray, God became the "father" when early Christians, not being accepted by
the Jews from whom they emerged, had to sell themselves to the broader world -
a Greco-Roman world. Heroes and great cult figures of that world -- think
Hercules, Perseus, and many others -- were typically produced by the union of
a male god and a mortal female. To be effective in the larger world, Christ, a
Jewish rebel against Rome and against many of the powers and practices of
Judaism, thus had to be converted into the "Son of God".
Ed
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From: Ray Harrell
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I think it is more about being loyal to the personal bonds that they
set up. The wealthy are true to their "culture" as they put it but work hard
to separate and individuate from parents. For the non-pyscho analyzed poor,
every woman is a younger representative of a mother that has sacrificed for
them. I would add that the initial image of God is the "other" in the
perinatal universe and that's the mother as well. Later it is transferred to
the father and God becomes male.
REH
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Perhaps the very life of a wealthy person (being brought up to believe
they are "better than" - and "more deserving of life than") anyone else
(including those of other wealthy families - whether male or female) creates a
sense of "self preservation" which would not appear to themselves as acts of
cowardice. Whereas the poorer of societies have been conditioned to "serve" and
"sacrifice" (be thrust onto the front lines of any battle the insane greed of
wealth considers important for their continuation of that wealth and power.
D.
On 23/07/2012 12:03 AM, Ray Harrell wrote:
Well thought out reply. However, would the lower class men locked in
the lower sections of the Titanic have given their lives more readily for their
women than the upper class men who crowded the boats? In this case, one of
the people who protected his girl friend was military and died. The other
young man with his girl friend, both of whom were studded and ear plugged with
body piercings, didn't look like he would have been cowardly. It also stated
that her brother, who survived, had thrown himself over his girl friend and
got her out of the theater. Those people are generally pretty fearless and
passionate in a way that makes protecting their girl friends likely I would
say.
I agree with Keith about learning from the shooter but we can also
learn why the upper class would be more likely to take a woman's place in the
lifeboat while the lower class would consider such a thing unacceptable. At
least that's my experience. My military experience was an interesting
situation considering such things. I would say that it was a matter of
"bonding" that made defense of the helpless an ordinary living strategy.
The military works very hard to inculcate the idea of fighting and protecting
as the ordinary work of soldiers. The term "extraordinary actions" become
ordinary in the life and work of a soldier. That would make me believe what
I read. REH
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Subject: Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes
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Arthur,
My comment is that I strongly doubt the literal accuracy of this news
account. Men are more inclined to be heroic in emergencies because males,
intrinsically, are more risk-taking than females. For example, in the Zeebrugge
ferry disaster in 1987 (in which 193 passengers and crew died), I remember
reading at the time that one young man, in dangerous circumstances, helped many
passengers to escape from being trapped below. But the total weight of evidence
from many ship disasters over the years says that men take to the lifeboats
disproportionately to women and children. There were examples of this, I
believe, during the Ttitanic sinking.
All stories of tragedies tend to get enhanced from the word go. I can
well imagine three young men throwing their arms around their girl friends and
then trying to flee together or take cover. But if three of the six were to die
then it's only 8:1 against three men rather than girls being hit.
Incidentally, I'm glad that the police didn't kill Holmes at Aurora.
As with Breivik's massacres a year ago in Norway, and his arrest, we need to
know a great deal more about the early life stories of these men (usually
social isolates) to identify other potential misfits at as young an age as
possible in order to hopefully deflect their development.
Keith
At 04:26 23/07/2012, you wrote:
Way off topic but sort of intriguing.
Arthur
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: FW: 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in Aurora
taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News
Interesting. The response of the male seems to be to protect.
Instinctive?
Who knows. Maybe Keith has an answer or would care to comment.
Arthur
'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in Aurora taking
bullets for
their girlfriends In final acts of valor, Jon Blunk, Matt McQuinn and
Alex
Teves used their bodies to shield their girlfriends as accused madman
James
Holmes turned the Aurora cineplex into a shooting gallery.
Read more:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti
es-article-1.1119395#ixzz21Oy21I65
http://tinyurl.com/c9sj52m
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti
es-article-1.1119395
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Keith Hudson, Saltford, England http://allisstatus.wordpress.com
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