Thanks Darryl. On one level I think of God as represented by the
"other" in the womb but on another level I think of the Aspen tree
that is the largest life form thus far discovered on the planet. It
has millions of individual trees growing from its body which is
underground and covers many Western states in the U.S. Recent DNA
studies have found that it is a single plant and that it is a male
Aspen. There are female Aspens as well. But they don't need each
other unless they have to take to the air. I think of individuals
as the trees that grow out from the core, have a life cycle and then
return to that core. Humanity is a dream of that totality that can
act and move around like the fecundity when the male and female are
necessary to each other. That's why the Lakota call the "tree
nation" "Standing People." That is also why the Aztecs called the
core values Omoteotl and Omotecutli, Grandfather/Grandmother.
REH
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But when God is only an external Whose wishes and concerns are "told"
to us by /someone else/, we each lose our "manifest destiny". We lose
our responsibility (responsibility to ourselves, to one another, to
all that has been created for us in this "reality" *and* to God. One
may say we even lose our purpose for being (being here). So, I have
felt for a long time that those "religions" that seek control of
individuals, communities, societies and nations "/in the name of God/"
have actually corrupted the very concept of God by separating us (the
individual) from our own "Godness", from the spirit within ; that
which is present in All, that which connects each and every life on
this planet as well as those lives we do not understand - yet. But we
must look within to find that which is without. Once found, then, I
believe, that "feeling" can be communicated. I believe words can only
convey an arbitrary idea, /feelings/ are the vibrations of life, of
the spirit, of God. Further - those "things" that pluck at the
"feelings" are what should matter in this realm of being; more, much
more than the mental exercise of analysis and concept. Thus the Arts
convey more truth than any other "discipline" we have invented.
Darryl
On 24/07/2012 4:14 AM, Ed Weick wrote:
We all need our gods because we exist in an insecure place,
somewhere between birth and death (what comes before, what comes
after?), between the infinitesimal and the infinite, and between
humanity and brutality. We don't know where we are and have
always needed a god or gods to guide and protect us.
Ed
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In Shamanism each individual is a part of the great mystery,
the Eternal Spirit breathed in with the first breath from the
Lifegiver. The mother is not the Breathgiver. In the
search for the choice of your God, your Ultimate Concern, the
Center post of your reality, It is not enough to think male
or female and often they are referred to as "they" and as
Grandfather/Grandmother. Lots of examples. Because the
spirit is eternal and is breath, the spirit chooses which
family, people, etc to live in. The Great Mystery which is
eternal, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent manifests in
the temporary and dances a dance of life within us all. To a
Christian, only Jesus does that because only Jesus is the true
Son of God but Jesus said to his students, "So are we all sons
of God." That is what the Shaman says as they follow the
drama in this "Field of Plenty." We are all God acting out
and we are not. There are things that God discovers through
us and that we cannot know as actors on this plane of existence.
REH
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*Ed Weick
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Ray, God became the "father" when early Christians, not being
accepted by the Jews from whom they emerged, had to sell
themselves to the broader world - a Greco-Roman world. Heroes
and great cult figures of that world -- think Hercules,
Perseus, and many others -- were typically produced by the
union of a male god and a mortal female. To be effective in
the larger world, Christ, a Jewish rebel against Rome and
against many of the powers and practices of Judaism, thus had
to be converted into the "Son of God".
Ed
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I think it is more about being loyal to the personal bonds
that they set up. The wealthy are true to their
"culture" as they put it but work hard to separate and
individuate from parents. For the non-pyscho analyzed
poor, every woman is a younger representative of a mother
that has sacrificed for them. I would add that the
initial image of God is the "other" in the perinatal
universe and that's the mother as well. Later it is
transferred to the father and God becomes male.
REH
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Of *D & N
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Perhaps the very life of a wealthy person (being brought
up to believe they are "better than" - and "more deserving
of life than") anyone else (including those of other
wealthy families - whether male or female) creates a sense
of "self preservation" which would not appear to
themselves as acts of cowardice. Whereas the poorer of
societies have been conditioned to "serve" and "sacrifice"
(be thrust onto the front lines of any battle the insane
greed of wealth considers important for their continuation
of that wealth and power.
D.
On 23/07/2012 12:03 AM, Ray Harrell wrote:
Well thought out reply. However, would the lower
class men locked in the lower sections of the Titanic
have given their lives more readily for their women
than the upper class men who crowded the boats? In
this case, one of the people who protected his girl
friend was military and died. The other young man
with his girl friend, both of whom were studded and
ear plugged with body piercings, didn't look like he
would have been cowardly. It also stated that her
brother, who survived, had thrown himself over his
girl friend and got her out of the theater. Those
people are generally pretty fearless and passionate in
a way that makes protecting their girl friends likely
I would say.
I agree with Keith about learning from the shooter but
we can also learn why the upper class would be more
likely to take a woman's place in the lifeboat while
the lower class would consider such a thing
unacceptable. At least that's my experience. My
military experience was an interesting situation
considering such things. I would say that it was a
matter of "bonding" that made defense of the helpless
an ordinary living strategy. The military works
very hard to inculcate the idea of fighting and
protecting as the ordinary work of soldiers. The
term "extraordinary actions" become ordinary in the
life and work of a soldier. That would make me
believe what I read. REH
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shooting: Three heroes died in Aurora taking bullets
for their girlfriends - NY Daily News
Arthur,
My comment is that I strongly doubt the literal
accuracy of this news account. Men are more inclined
to be heroic in emergencies because males,
intrinsically, are more risk-taking than females. For
example, in the Zeebrugge ferry disaster in 1987 (in
which 193 passengers and crew died), I remember
reading at the time that one young man, in dangerous
circumstances, helped many passengers to escape from
being trapped below. But the total weight of evidence
from many ship disasters over the years says that men
take to the lifeboats disproportionately to women and
children. There were examples of this, I believe,
during the Ttitanic sinking.
All stories of tragedies tend to get enhanced from the
word go. I can well imagine three young men throwing
their arms around their girl friends and then trying
to flee together or take cover. But if three of the
six were to die then it's only 8:1 against three men
rather than girls being hit.
Incidentally, I'm glad that the police didn't kill
Holmes at Aurora. As with Breivik's massacres a year
ago in Norway, and his arrest, we need to know a great
deal more about the early life stories of these men
(usually social isolates) to identify other potential
misfits at as young an age as possible in order to
hopefully deflect their development.
Keith
At 04:26 23/07/2012, you wrote:
Way off topic but sort of intriguing.
Arthur
To: '[email protected]
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Subject: FW: 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three
heroes died in Aurora
taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News
Interesting. The response of the male seems to be to
protect. Instinctive?
Who knows. Maybe Keith has an answer or would care to
comment.
Arthur
'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in
Aurora taking bullets for
their girlfriends In final acts of valor, Jon Blunk,
Matt McQuinn and Alex
Teves used their bodies to shield their girlfriends as
accused madman James
Holmes turned the Aurora cineplex into a shooting gallery.
Read more:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti
es-article-1.1119395#ixzz21Oy21I65
http://tinyurl.com/c9sj52m
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti
es-article-1.1119395
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Keith Hudson, Saltford, England
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