Thanks Darryl. On one level I think of God as represented by the "other" in the womb but on another level I think of the Aspen tree that is the largest life form thus far discovered on the planet. It has millions of individual trees growing from its body which is underground and covers many Western states in the U.S. Recent DNA studies have found that it is a single plant and that it is a male Aspen. There are female Aspens as well. But they don't need each other unless they have to take to the air. I think of individuals as the trees that grow out from the core, have a life cycle and then return to that core. Humanity is a dream of that totality that can act and move around like the fecundity when the male and female are necessary to each other. That's why the Lakota call the "tree nation" "Standing People." That is also why the Aztecs called the core values Omoteotl and Omotecutli, Grandfather/Grandmother.
REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of D & N Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:11 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroesdied inAurora taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News But when God is only an external Whose wishes and concerns are "told" to us by someone else, we each lose our "manifest destiny". We lose our responsibility (responsibility to ourselves, to one another, to all that has been created for us in this "reality" and to God. One may say we even lose our purpose for being (being here). So, I have felt for a long time that those "religions" that seek control of individuals, communities, societies and nations "in the name of God" have actually corrupted the very concept of God by separating us (the individual) from our own "Godness", from the spirit within ; that which is present in All, that which connects each and every life on this planet as well as those lives we do not understand - yet. But we must look within to find that which is without. Once found, then, I believe, that "feeling" can be communicated. I believe words can only convey an arbitrary idea, feelings are the vibrations of life, of the spirit, of God. Further - those "things" that pluck at the "feelings" are what should matter in this realm of being; more, much more than the mental exercise of analysis and concept. Thus the Arts convey more truth than any other "discipline" we have invented. Darryl On 24/07/2012 4:14 AM, Ed Weick wrote: We all need our gods because we exist in an insecure place, somewhere between birth and death (what comes before, what comes after?), between the infinitesimal and the infinite, and between humanity and brutality. We don't know where we are and have always needed a god or gods to guide and protect us. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Harrell <mailto:[email protected]> To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroesdied inAurora taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News In Shamanism each individual is a part of the great mystery, the Eternal Spirit breathed in with the first breath from the Lifegiver. The mother is not the Breathgiver. In the search for the choice of your God, your Ultimate Concern, the Center post of your reality, It is not enough to think male or female and often they are referred to as "they" and as Grandfather/Grandmother. Lots of examples. Because the spirit is eternal and is breath, the spirit chooses which family, people, etc to live in. The Great Mystery which is eternal, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent manifests in the temporary and dances a dance of life within us all. To a Christian, only Jesus does that because only Jesus is the true Son of God but Jesus said to his students, "So are we all sons of God." That is what the Shaman says as they follow the drama in this "Field of Plenty." We are all God acting out and we are not. There are things that God discovers through us and that we cannot know as actors on this plane of existence. REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 5:11 PM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died inAurora taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News Ray, God became the "father" when early Christians, not being accepted by the Jews from whom they emerged, had to sell themselves to the broader world - a Greco-Roman world. Heroes and great cult figures of that world -- think Hercules, Perseus, and many others -- were typically produced by the union of a male god and a mortal female. To be effective in the larger world, Christ, a Jewish rebel against Rome and against many of the powers and practices of Judaism, thus had to be converted into the "Son of God". Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Harrell <mailto:[email protected]> To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died inAurora taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News I think it is more about being loyal to the personal bonds that they set up. The wealthy are true to their "culture" as they put it but work hard to separate and individuate from parents. For the non-pyscho analyzed poor, every woman is a younger representative of a mother that has sacrificed for them. I would add that the initial image of God is the "other" in the perinatal universe and that's the mother as well. Later it is transferred to the father and God becomes male. REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of D & N Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:27 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in Aurora taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News Perhaps the very life of a wealthy person (being brought up to believe they are "better than" - and "more deserving of life than") anyone else (including those of other wealthy families - whether male or female) creates a sense of "self preservation" which would not appear to themselves as acts of cowardice. Whereas the poorer of societies have been conditioned to "serve" and "sacrifice" (be thrust onto the front lines of any battle the insane greed of wealth considers important for their continuation of that wealth and power. D. On 23/07/2012 12:03 AM, Ray Harrell wrote: Well thought out reply. However, would the lower class men locked in the lower sections of the Titanic have given their lives more readily for their women than the upper class men who crowded the boats? In this case, one of the people who protected his girl friend was military and died. The other young man with his girl friend, both of whom were studded and ear plugged with body piercings, didn't look like he would have been cowardly. It also stated that her brother, who survived, had thrown himself over his girl friend and got her out of the theater. Those people are generally pretty fearless and passionate in a way that makes protecting their girl friends likely I would say. I agree with Keith about learning from the shooter but we can also learn why the upper class would be more likely to take a woman's place in the lifeboat while the lower class would consider such a thing unacceptable. At least that's my experience. My military experience was an interesting situation considering such things. I would say that it was a matter of "bonding" that made defense of the helpless an ordinary living strategy. The military works very hard to inculcate the idea of fighting and protecting as the ordinary work of soldiers. The term "extraordinary actions" become ordinary in the life and work of a soldier. That would make me believe what I read. REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Hudson Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:56 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION; Arthur Cordell Subject: Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in Aurora taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News Arthur, My comment is that I strongly doubt the literal accuracy of this news account. Men are more inclined to be heroic in emergencies because males, intrinsically, are more risk-taking than females. For example, in the Zeebrugge ferry disaster in 1987 (in which 193 passengers and crew died), I remember reading at the time that one young man, in dangerous circumstances, helped many passengers to escape from being trapped below. But the total weight of evidence from many ship disasters over the years says that men take to the lifeboats disproportionately to women and children. There were examples of this, I believe, during the Ttitanic sinking. All stories of tragedies tend to get enhanced from the word go. I can well imagine three young men throwing their arms around their girl friends and then trying to flee together or take cover. But if three of the six were to die then it's only 8:1 against three men rather than girls being hit. Incidentally, I'm glad that the police didn't kill Holmes at Aurora. As with Breivik's massacres a year ago in Norway, and his arrest, we need to know a great deal more about the early life stories of these men (usually social isolates) to identify other potential misfits at as young an age as possible in order to hopefully deflect their development. Keith At 04:26 23/07/2012, you wrote: Way off topic but sort of intriguing. Arthur To: '[email protected]' Subject: FW: 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in Aurora taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News Interesting. The response of the male seems to be to protect. Instinctive? Who knows. Maybe Keith has an answer or would care to comment. Arthur 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in Aurora taking bullets for their girlfriends In final acts of valor, Jon Blunk, Matt McQuinn and Alex Teves used their bodies to shield their girlfriends as accused madman James Holmes turned the Aurora cineplex into a shooting gallery. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti es-article-1.1119395#ixzz21Oy21I65 http://tinyurl.com/c9sj52m http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti es-article-1.1119395 Sent from my iPad Keith Hudson, Saltford, England http://allisstatus.wordpress.com <http://allisstatus.wordpress.com/> _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _____ _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _____ _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
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